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Post by luke213 on Dec 26, 2014 18:03:17 GMT -5
Well guys going through guns that need work, and I nearly forgot I bought a TM G36C towards the end of me playing airsoft. Well I remembered it was broken when I bought it always planned to fix it but never dig. Went digging the other day and found a surprise of sorts. Apparently I bought the parts to fix it and did part of the fix before putting it back in the box and promptly forgetting all about it. When I got the gun it had a broken/missing parts hopup chamber along with some other issues but mostly barrel hopup/feed issues. So I got a new TM hopup, bucking and other parts missing and replaced them all. But I'm still having feed and nozzle issues. So looking at the end of the gearbox the nozzle doesn't seem solid in place it's a little wobbly lacking a better term. Which from past experience says either the nozzle is bad or the tappet plate might be bad. But in reading about the G36's I've found lots of guys talking about issues with nozzles sealing etc. Since the G36 was fairly new model wise when I stopped playing I never knew much about the guns as a whole and far less than the M4/MP5 variants that I typically have fixed in the past. So what I'm wondering is if these parts will function in a stock gun, more less. www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=12432www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=3650Or further should I be looking at upgrading anything since I'm replacing parts and have to tear down the box anyways. I haven't done it quite yet, I need to figure out a place in the shop where it's out of the way and can sit torn apart for a week or two while I'm waiting on parts etc. So I plan to tear into it and see if it's just the nozzle or both etc. But I'm not sure if one nozzle is better than another to a degree, I'm not planning at this point on upgrading this gun to crazy levels or anything of the sort just mostly bringing it back to stockish. I might toss a spring, bushings and shims in the order and bring it up to around 350ish FPS while I'm in there but it's going to depend on the price of the other pieces to decide if it's going back together stock. I might replace the stock spring anyways since I found the box was compressed all this time while in the box apparently either I left it compressed or someone grabbed the trigger with a nearly dead battery around the same time. Either way I'm not sure how much spring tension if any I lost to it sitting compressed but I'd rather not have the gun shooting less than stock levels because I primarily play outdoors and range as always is a bit of an issue. Any advice would be appreciated as always! Luke
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Post by Stinger on Dec 26, 2014 18:37:46 GMT -5
Those parts should work fine, although I don't know a lot about G36s.
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Post by luke213 on Dec 26, 2014 18:49:40 GMT -5
Thanks, I mean it's a normal AEG but looking at the nozzle through what little I can see it does look a bit different than the normal Version 2 M4 styles I've seen before, almost like one side is flat instead of round.
Either way I figured I'd check before tearing into it and ordering up parts I'd rather not waste money even if it's only a few bucks;) Mostly would like to get some of these old TM's back in running shape, especially the few I had at the end that I never got to use;)
Take care!
Luke
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Post by luke213 on Jan 14, 2015 21:19:01 GMT -5
Well the G36 is done;) I managed to organize a small game this weekend and now I needed to get the rest of my collection going to have some loaner guns for the weekend.
So I tore apart the box and looked things over and found a few surprises. Since I hadn't been in there before I wasn't sure what to expect, well someone put metal bushings in there, a good solid new set of gears, new piston, and from what I can tell by feel probably an m120 spring. Along with that they replaced the cylinder head but not the cylinder. So basically the only thing stock was the cylinder. But what I found was where the cylinder head goes into the nozzle was broken clean off. So I went ahead and replaced the cylinder head cleaned up the nozzle and greased the gears since they were dry as a bone. Checked compression on the piston, was pretty bad so I changed the o-ring as well. Good compression then so I put it all back together and it's working fine.
Only quirk I noticed was that with the hopup turned off, it still seems to be hopping a .20 BB but since it's after dark it's hard to see how it's reacting. Possible I've got a solid nub or something in there since I don't remember how I assembled it last time so I'll take a look later if it's too much for .25's since I don't plan on running .20's very often. The only other quirk is the M4 mag well conversion I had laying around, feeding is inconsistent at best right now, seems very picky. Since I've got bunches of M4 mags and one low cap g36 mag I might have to either pick up some g36 mags or modify the adapter a bit until it starts feeding properly;)
So overall happy to have it back together and functional. If I keep fixing guns and fiddling I might just have to invest in a chrono again so I know what the heck these guns are actually shooting at;)
Take care and thanks again guys for the help.
Luke
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Post by Simon on Jan 15, 2015 3:47:10 GMT -5
I've had mixed results with g36 mag well conversions. I've seen one that worked flawlessly and another that I had to hack at with my exacto (only cutting tool I had available) to get it to feed at all.
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Post by luke213 on Jan 15, 2015 9:07:05 GMT -5
Yeah I think I'm going to do some looking at it and see if I can figure out what it's doing. Seems like the extra wobble is causing the issue but I'll have to see if I can get it reliable. I'll admit I don't like the way the mags fit but I'd rather not buy more mags right this minute as well Luke
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Post by Simon on Jan 15, 2015 10:19:16 GMT -5
You might try figuring out what angle it feeds best at and spraying some expandable foam into it. Worked wonders for the one I worked on.
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Post by Zzan on Jan 15, 2015 10:21:25 GMT -5
I have an M4 magwell on my Ares G36 and it works well. The only issue is that you lose a few shots more per mag than you would with a G36 mag (or the same mag in an M4) because M4 mags feed from the front and G36 mags feed from the center. There is a tube in the magwell adapter to move the BB's from the front where they exit the mag to the center where they enter the hopup. So your mag will end up being "empty" 5-7 shots quicker than the same mag in an M4.
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Post by luke213 on Jan 15, 2015 13:12:50 GMT -5
Well I built a kydex shim to make the mags fit better and hot glued it in place and now the mags fit great but problems remain. So after getting irritated that it didn't work I decided to lock in the stock magwell and mag. Well that isn't feeding reliably either so obviously I've got some type of other issue at work here than just the mag well.
So now I'm trying to figure out what's going on everything looks good, I pulled the hopup apart and found that someone had put a piece of wire insulation in place of the nub and it was hard as a rock after all these years so I put another piece in of softer insulation to take care of that for now. At least that should solve my hopup issue.
So suggestions on the feeding issue would be appreciated, not sure if it's sticking getting to the chamber or what. Most times when it doesn't fire I'm getting a muted sound like there is a BB in the chamber but it's not firing. Strangely because everything looks to be sitting properly nozzle is hitting the hopup right, hopup chamber is up against the mech box like it should be etc.
Anyone have any opinions on some of the highcap brands say on evike I've never heard of most of them and from the price I expect they aren't great but you never know.
Luke
EDIT: Solved, ended up with several problems but not related. My TM G36 mag was just gunked up from sitting which is why it didn't feed properly. Once it got about half way it went to working 100%, and man I'll say this thing is a bit of a tack driver with .28's;) I did a little change on the m4 mag adapter and it's better but I'll have to do some more fiddling to get it 100%. Which is fine, for this weekend I might just take my VSR10 and use this G36 as a backup and leave the standard mag in it, better than a pistol at least in the cold. We'll see how many guys come and how many guns I have to lend that will end up telling me what I've got to run;)
Thanks again for the help guys, and if there is some interest I'll take some pictures of that kydex shim, it's made this mag well way more solid feeling with the way the mag locks in, and since it's holding stable it should make it feed more reliably.
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Post by luke213 on Feb 2, 2015 14:50:00 GMT -5
Well guys just an update to this thread, I was using the M4 mag adapter though I was still having feed issues. Even with the kydex shim I found myself fiddling with the mag to get it to feed properly, most of the time I little light pull back on the mag solved it until the mag shifted. I went through and deburred the whole feed channel and a bunch of other things got it mostly functional. Saturday we played for a while and it's the second time I fielded the gun since I worked on it. Well right at the worst possible time when my sniper rifle was out of ammo, and I was getting rushed it misfed, I went ahead and gently moved the mag which broke the feed tube off. So the M4 mag adapter is out, I'd say based on my experiences with it I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, it's garbage as I see it. Cool idea but terrible implementation glad I didn't pay anything for it since it came with the gun.
So I changed the mag well back over to the G36 one and I'll just order up some mags to fit and call it done. Overall gun is shooting great other than the mag well issues. So I may as well make it functional.
Take care and thanks again for the advice!
Luke
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