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Post by Myers on Oct 18, 2014 12:23:33 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. I understand that this is their forum and they can set the ToS to whatever they please, but it would be nice if they could actually let us know why airsoft sales aren't permitted. Feels like we're 6 years old again, and when we ask our parents why, the only response you get back is "because we said so."
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Post by Pagan on Oct 18, 2014 12:30:23 GMT -5
Did anyone go through the TOS? I did not find that on the mobile app Terms but I will admit I scanned parts of it. I work for an online hotel company/Customer Service and our Terms and Conditions are clear and to the point. I was just asking if someone saw it as there has been a lot of phishing snd scams going around. We're working on that. No RS weapons has been a [art of the TOS for quite a while, we're researching the non lethal portion of it. Would the people who have reviews for commerce get there reviews erased or would it only be the commerce? Just actual sales. Retailer and Member reviews can stay. From their TOS statement: 18. OBJECTIONABLE CONTENT You represent and warrant that you shall not use the Website or Services to upload, post, transmit, display, perform or distribute any content, information or materials that: (a) are libelous, defamatory, abusive, or threatening, excessively violent, harassing, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or pornographic; (b) constitute child pornography; (c) solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; (d) incite, encourage or threaten physical harm against another; (e) promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of people; (f) glamorize the use of hard core illegal substances and drugs; (g) violate any provision of this Agreement or any other ProBoards agreement or policy, including without limitation ProBoards' Community Guidelines; or (h) is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by ProBoards (collectively, "Objectionable Content"). PROBOARDS DISCLAIMS ANY PERCEIVED, IMPLIED OR ACTUAL DUTY TO MONITOR THE CONTENTS OF THE WEBSITE AND SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR INFORMATION PROVIDED HEREON. Without limiting any of its other remedies, ProBoards reserves the right to terminate Your use of the Website and Services or Your uploading, posting, transmission, display, performance or distribution of Objectionable Content. ProBoards, in its sole discretion, may delete any Objectionable Content from its servers. ProBoards intends to cooperate fully with any law enforcement officials or agencies in the investigation of any violation of this Agreement or of any applicable laws. I highlighted the part that says, we're pretty much screwed. Prohibited Content Content that: Infringes the rights, including without limitation the copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other proprietary rights, of any third party, or violates any agreement between you and a current or former employers concerning the intellectual property you create or created during your employment; Is libelous or defamatory, or violates the privacy or publicity rights of any third party; Consists of or contains viruses, Trojan horses, worms, malicious code or other harmful or destructive content; Is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy or pornographic, that may constitute child pornography, or that may solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; Depicts excessive violence, contains comments or images that are offensive, abusive, threatening, harassing or menacing, or that incites, encourages or threatens physical harm against another; Promotes or glorifies racial intolerance, uses hate and/or racist terms, or signifies hate towards any person or group of people; Advocates the violent overthrow of the government of the United States or other conduct that could constitute a fraud or other criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national, or foreign law or regulation; Glamorizes the use of illegal substances and drugs; Promotes gambling or casinos; Promotes the buying, selling, or trading of firearms or weapons;
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Post by Kjones on Oct 18, 2014 12:41:35 GMT -5
Why not set up a new proboard that is not related to this board and just use that for commerce. That way if they cry about it that one gets deleted and then we make a new one and keep doing it over and over. If we do everything right here and violate over there we are still safe here. Fuck the system.
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Post by Stache on Oct 18, 2014 12:43:53 GMT -5
Kjones, check ARC's posT.
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Post by Alex-(BM_5) on Oct 18, 2014 12:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Elvis on Oct 18, 2014 13:00:47 GMT -5
weap·on
ˈwepən/
noun
a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
"nuclear weapons"
a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest.
"resignation threats had long been a weapon in his armory"
Airsoft guns are not weapons, they are specifically designed to not inflict bodily harm or damage.
Also, airsoft guns are classified as toys, not weapons. I can not find a link or definition so if someone else could that would be great
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Post by X on Oct 18, 2014 13:02:39 GMT -5
Those don't help. Those are simply domain names with redirects. You need a server running the forum software which you probably will have to rent and you will need the software which you probably need to buy.
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Post by Pagan on Oct 18, 2014 13:04:55 GMT -5
weap·on ˈwepən/ noun a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage. "nuclear weapons" a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest. "resignation threats had long been a weapon in his armory" Airsoft guns are not weapons, they are specifically designed to not inflict bodily harm or damage. Also, airsoft guns are classified as toys, not weapons. I can not find a link or definition so if someone else could that would be great In the email from proboards to Hado: ProBoards does not permit the buying, selling, or trading of weapons on our service. This includes non lethal weapons such as airsoft. Your forum appears to be in violation of this policy. We ask that you please remove all offending content from your forum within 48 hours. Refer back to my post about the TOS. It's at their discretion.
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Post by Alex-(BM_5) on Oct 18, 2014 13:05:58 GMT -5
I know but are we really going to take the route of pro board hopping to have a commerce section.
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Post by Knife on Oct 18, 2014 13:08:29 GMT -5
You might want to consider hiding this forum, not just locking posts. They could probably still argue that even though they are locked, if people can see them it still leads to sales.
One option might be to just ban the sales of guns. It sucks, but things like gear and accessories should not count as weapons. Might ask Proboards to clarify as to what makes something a weapon, as some accessories may still be good to go.
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Post by Pagan on Oct 18, 2014 13:12:51 GMT -5
You might want to consider hiding this forum, not just locking posts. They could probably still argue that even though they are locked, if people can see them it still leads to sales. One option might be to just ban the sales of guns. It sucks, but things like gear and accessories should not count as weapons. Might ask Proboards to clarify as to what makes something a weapon, as some accessories may still be good to go. That's what we're looking at. The lock was a precautionary measure to meet their demands while we figure out what the plan will be. Sadly there are only a few admins who can actually modify the forum layout, so I can only do so much until we get someone with more power to make changes.
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Post by Knief on Oct 18, 2014 13:26:12 GMT -5
The sense I've gotten from proboards in the past is that if you've made an effort to stop a TOS violation, they tend to let it go pretty easily. My guess is that locking the section for now should keep us in the clear.
Personally, I think that the best option may be to migrate the entire board to a new hosting service and use something like vBulletin or phpBB. It'll almost certainly be a paid service, but we may be able to get enough advertising revenue to balance the cost and not rely on money out of anybody's pocket. If we do that, we ought to have more control over things like commerce (we could probably even bring back legal real-steel sales) as well as forum layout and administration options.
The downside, of course, is that we'll almost certainly lose some members in the transition, and we'll certainly lose our archives of information. If we all make an effort to track down threads that we feel have been useful, we can make some copy/paste efforts to preserve as much as possible.
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Post by Bubba on Oct 18, 2014 14:17:07 GMT -5
We could make a board similar to DT6, that would probably work a lot better than ProBoards. We could just make this redirect straight to the new board or something along those lines.
Or we can change the commerce rules to just tactical gear, to my knowledge nylon has never been used as a weapon.
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Post by X on Oct 18, 2014 14:49:21 GMT -5
I think the best bet is to just have a separate commerce board. It's simply too much work to move this board when the only real issue is the commerce section. I presume having a link to a different website where the commerce section is now would be acceptable?
To be honest I would actually welcome this change. Now when I look in the unread posts on tapatalk / proboards app I don't have to sort through 50,000 commerce bumps.
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Post by karils on Oct 18, 2014 17:28:43 GMT -5
Further than moving the commerce section to a new site, would it be at all possible to just leave the setup as is, except change the commerce section to just be a hyperlink to a new site so that you can still go back and forth seamlessly?
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