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Post by steelfallenangel on Aug 25, 2014 4:51:59 GMT -5
Happened across these and seeing them in action I can't imagine many fields allowing something like this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hjTPz5rceY&list=UUgQ_zRHmhStbiZaL0aG4Lsw#t=363Fast forward to about 4:30. I just mean I've seen thunder bs get alittle crazy but these look like theres a absurd amount of grenade fragments Maybe I'm just alittle squamish or weak but seeing them go off looked alittle crazy.
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Post by Deuce on Aug 25, 2014 7:11:45 GMT -5
Actually this is a good question. I seen the video before and also wondered if fields (both indoor and out) in MI would even allow something like these for that reason. I don't believe that these would be a safety problem strictly because of our preset safety rules like full-eye protection. As for my opinion, the only one that should be allowed is the bb version. The reasoning is there is a lot of people who'd be pissed, me included, if a paintball or orange marker grenade got me. Thus, making me have to wash (most-likely) every bit of my PC, helmet, ect.
Just my view.
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Post by Combat Junkies Airsoft on Aug 25, 2014 8:15:54 GMT -5
Those 40mm look like fun. I wouldn't mind having a few of those bb hand granades either.
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Post by Simon on Aug 25, 2014 8:28:39 GMT -5
All of the Thunder B style grenades are completely unusable in my opinion. I could forgive the pyrotechnic nature of the devices if the shell stayed mostly whole, but since the intended target of these grenades are people compared to vehicles, the shrapnel effect of the shell is very concerning and I would have to see the tests they conducted in order to believe that the product is safe in all situations.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that Thunder Bs themselves are alright due to the minimal shrapnel produced by the shell.
I have a similar issue with the launch-able flash bang grenade demonstrated in the video. Again it's intended target is near people and again if the shell didn't throw as much shrapnel I may be able to forgive the pyrotechnic nature of the grenade, but it doesn't take much imagination to see a player getting smoked at close range on or near exposed skin and getting injured.
MiA has always had a very proactive approach to safety at MiA events. The reason "easter egg" grenades aren't allowed to be used is the possibility of shrapnel injuring another player. It's the same reason intelligent people don't go running around throwing firecrackers at each other. Unless I saw their testing process and was able to conduct some "worst case scenario" tests myself I would not want to see these on a field unless it's a high caliber Milsim like a Lion Claws or Blacksheep event. For the time being I don't think it's worth risking an injury or negative press.
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Post by Stinger on Aug 25, 2014 8:37:55 GMT -5
It looks really cool.
I agree with you guys. Someone here should pick a few up and do some tests, because they look like a potential danger.
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Post by Tank on Aug 25, 2014 10:32:08 GMT -5
I can't believe they are finally going to sell the TAG grenades! I wanted to buy the Pecker round, the foam dummy round, for Northern Light IV but they never released last summer like they were intended. This of course would be for use with taking down vehicles in Lion Claws games. I really don't see any of the other projectile grenades being allowed in our community, maybe I'm wrong. As far as the hand thrown grenades go, I know for a fact that the BB shower grenade was in use at the last Blacksheep game at Grayling. I picked up one of the tops of the grenade after the game was over. I also saw the "pin" laying on the ground in several buildings. I believe, now that I've seen the video, that I actually have video of one going off next to me during that game. For those of you that were at the game, I know what your thinking, your thinking that I'm mistaking the pea grenades as these new grenades. I can assure you that is not the case, they look very different, I know because I dodged several of them as well. Edit: By the way, my personal opinion, I would have no issue with anyone using either of the grenades (these new ones, or the pea grenades), at any of our MiA games. One of the guys on the rage team at Grayling dove on a pea grenade to protect his squad and was not wounded doing so. I know that his rig had some damage, I don't recall what exactly since I was only half awake through the debrief when he was describing the occurrence, but a thunder B confined by him cuddling up to it, in a similar fashion, would have done some damage to his rig as well. From what I've seen, with this other grenade, it didn't look any more violent than a pea grenade.
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Post by Gunslinger on Aug 25, 2014 11:31:37 GMT -5
The bb exploding one would have come in handy for sure at grayling! I might just order some for next year...
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Post by Squirrel on Aug 25, 2014 12:59:06 GMT -5
I could probably live with the hand grenade. There is no way I would trust most of the people that show up to rec games to use the 40mm exploding round. We tested them out at a No Limits game and the velocity was pretty crazy to let people fire at each other. Yes, I know some people here could do it responsibly, but many people probably could not.
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Post by snafu on Aug 25, 2014 13:12:36 GMT -5
One of the guys on the rage team at Grayling dove on a pea grenade to protect his squad and was not wounded doing so. This is awesome!
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Post by Pagan on Aug 25, 2014 13:31:17 GMT -5
One of the guys on the rage team at Grayling dove on a pea grenade to protect his squad and was not wounded doing so. That would be the amazing Rel.
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Post by Tank on Aug 25, 2014 14:09:21 GMT -5
Here's the video that I was talking about. Looking at the video again, I still can't tell if it was a pea grenade or one of these new ones.
By the way, that constant humming is the camera picking up on the slight vibration from my fan that is attached to my helmet, it's not really as loud as it sounds.
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Post by cqbr on Aug 25, 2014 17:44:08 GMT -5
The grenades are made from the foam-like plastic that the bottoms of the 40mm's are made from. They pose zero fragmentation risk whatsoever. L OL
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Post by Krutch on Aug 25, 2014 19:30:55 GMT -5
I have also seen a video where the owner of the company let's one go off in his hand to prove how safe it is.
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Post by Tank on Aug 25, 2014 19:42:26 GMT -5
I have also seen a video where the owner of the company let's one go off in his hand to prove how safe it is. That ^ I would never do with a Thunder B. At best, I imagine my hand going numb. I would imagine it would ruin a good pair of gloves as well.
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Post by Squirrel on Aug 25, 2014 19:55:19 GMT -5
I've had a thunder b go off in my hands. It did hurt a bit, but not too bad.
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