"Frag Out!", is it necessary? I think it should be?

[Vic (Rattlehead)]

Just from playing Battlefield, and reading about this stuff online, in the military(If I remember) it's some kind of 'rule' to have to exclaim "Frag Out" when you throw a grenade, and "Grenade!" when an incoming grenade is spotted.

However(and I know this is Airsoft), I see a lot of people throwing Tornado Grenades or Thunder Bs with no warning what so ever. Albeit I've only seen this behavior in REC games, I still feel like it should be more standardized.

Thoughts? Opinions?

[Impulse]

This rule only applies if you don't care about killing the people who are also on your team.

It has a lot to do with the hit radius on a real grenade being considerably more than an airsoft grenades'.

[Prophet501]

Just my 2 cents, but in browsing airsoft videos on the interwebs, certain CQB fields require yelling it multiple times (it was on a Milsim Junkie video I believe) if you throw a Thunder B or Tornado into a room of a kill house on the field, and anyone in the room has to call hit. Not sure if any CQB fields around here do the same but it has been done.

[Chubbs]

I do this. I agree that this should be implemented more at fields and cqb arenas. Every time I throw a Thunder B I yell "flash out!"

[Fear Roback]

When the Thunder B goes out, most the time I don't say a word, I think one time, I yell "Frag out!" but it was for my teammates to know.

[Viper]

Screw that. I'm not giving you a warning and a chance to step into another room. A lot of fields denote a kill from a grenade (thunder-b, tornado, etc...) to be everyone in the room the grenade landed in. If you have another room that you can quickly shimmy over to, I'm not giving you that opportunity.

[Gimpalong]

What is your rationale for wanting people to announce they are throwing a grenade? Just for "cool factor" sake or is there some specific safety reason why people should announce it?

I look at it this way: you're playing a game where people are shooting BBs at your face in excess of 300 FPS at, sometimes, less than 10 feet of range. A one pound grenade hucked through a doorway or over a wall is going to hurt a lot less if it happens to bounce off of you than a burst of BBs in CQB. If you're not going to yell "I'm shooting at you!" every time you fire at someone then why require someone to yell "frag out!" every time they throw a grenade?

[Knief]

The other side of Gimp's point is also this, there's no reason to huck a grenade like you're throwing it in from left field. It would be more responsible for the grenade user to throw it under hand a about waist height than to yell a warning. An opposing player laying on the trigger might not hear your warning and duck your throw. If you don't throw it in a way that will hurt him, all the better.

[Chubbs]

I use it more for teammates knowledge than anything. I do also agree with Knief that you don't need to throw them like you're playing baseball. I guess I'm more on the fence or playing the Devil's advocate on this one.

[Krutch]

I know that at most fields over here in Wisconsin, any type of throwable device (Tornados, Thunder B's, and even smoke) need to be thrown underhand. It is a good rule that I have seen save quite a few painful and dangerous direct hits. Not only wold getting hit in the face by one of these devices hurt, it could also knock of eye protection. Not a situation you want in the middle of a firefight.

[M.S.-ARC]

I like the requirement to throw underhand. I can definitely see how that can reduce possible injuries. As far as requiring people to yell certain technical words when using grenades I'd have a harder time making that a rule. If you want to yell it its absolutely fine but to require it as a rule would not be necessary. The game mods have enough to worry about and giving them the task of monitoring people's technical vocabulary during a game would be overkill.

[Vic (Rattlehead)]

Okay, so I agree with a lot that has been said here. "Frag Out" is not meant to be a rule, but more of a courtesy to your team mates. However the underhand thing is something to think about. I can't say I've ever been hurt by the impact of a thrown grenade, but perhaps it'd be best to consider it as a rule before it happens? Interesting to see the various opinions on this.

[Stinger]

Jun 20, 2014 10:32:19 GMT -5 Vic (Rattlehead) said:

Okay, so I agree with a lot that has been said here. "Frag Out" is not meant to be a rule, but more of a courtesy to your team mates. However the underhand thing is something to think about. I can't say I've ever been hurt by the impact of a thrown grenade, but perhaps it'd be best to consider it as a rule before it happens? Interesting to see the various opinions on this.

I think it needs to be underhand if you're in a CQB environment. You should never throw overhand in a CQB/urban environment.
However, I know that my range is so limited at underhand, and I need to throw smoke grenades overhand to get them out to the distance necessary to cover an advance or retreat. Same of course with Thunder-B's and such.

[Vic (Rattlehead)]

Yes, when throwing indoors, in an urban area, or into any window or doorway where the landing site of your grenade is not in direct sight, and where a player might be standing where you can't see, an underhand throw is necessary.

However, if you're throwing smoke in a clearing, or a Thunder B/Tornado Grenade in a direct line of sight where your grenade 'target' is visible, especially in situations where the throwing distance required is quite far, then overhand throws are acceptable.

[Stinger]

Jun 25, 2014 16:09:20 GMT -5 Vic (Rattlehead) said:

Yes, when throwing indoors, in an urban area, or into any window or doorway where the landing site of your grenade is not in direct sight, and where a player might be standing where you can't see, an underhand throw is necessary.

However, if you're throwing smoke in a clearing, or a Thunder B/Tornado Grenade in a direct line of sight where your grenade 'target' is visible, especially in situations where the throwing distance required is quite far, then overhand throws are acceptable.

^ This should be standardized.