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Post by Stinger on Apr 22, 2014 21:19:41 GMT -5
All I can say is now I want a GoPro. Nice job with the editing. Haha, thanks Only two of us have M16s, and only one of the M16 guys was wearing a camera. He didn't have a red dot, he had the holo sight that got shot out. I think that you're referring to the M4 (it is a long M4 with Noveske rails, so I can understand why you thought it was an M16). That viewpoint may have appeared most often for two reasons: 1st, that's me. 2nd, that is from my GoPro HD Hero 3 White Edition, which is arguably our best camera. I actually had an original edit with more of the AK gun-cam video, but replaced a lot of scenes with my own for video quality purposes. Frankie's Midland XTC cameras are only 720p and...meh video quality. Sorry, maybe I'm a resolution nut, I dunno. As for the music drowning out the rest, I guess in the future I could lower it a bit? This is the first time in the two years that I've been making these that someone has stated that they wanted to hear the actual, distinct gameplay over the music. This is a montage, and you aren't meant to hear the gameplay as much. Maybe I'm wrong and people want to hear it. Whatever you guys prefer. When I release the actual, full gameplay videos, I won't have music over it, so you can hear it then. This isn't really a gameplay video, more of a montage. And sorry if you can't tell what I'm shooting at, I honestly have no way of fixing that. We were operating at extended ranges for most of the time, and when we weren't, vegetation obscured a lot of stuff. I've been experimenting with gun-camera setups to remedy this. Vic: For montages I have never used hit markers. I actually never even thought of that. Is that something you guys want to see in montages? I've done it before in straight-up gameplay, but I've stopped because hitcount/markers are a lot more effort. If you guys really like that, I'll start doing that again.
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Post by Vic (Rattlehead) on Apr 22, 2014 21:36:26 GMT -5
Vic: For montages I have never used hit markers. I actually never even thought of that. Is that something you guys want to see in montages? I've done it before in straight-up gameplay, but I've stopped because hitcount/markers are a lot more effort. If you guys really like that, I'll start doing that again. What I meant when I said hit markers is just a message at the bottom of the screen that says "Hit" or "Enemy Killed"(Battlefield Style), not necessarily a counter. Awesome editing with the slow-mo and music was good for a montage. I liked it.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 22, 2014 21:39:30 GMT -5
Vic: For montages I have never used hit markers. I actually never even thought of that. Is that something you guys want to see in montages? I've done it before in straight-up gameplay, but I've stopped because hitcount/markers are a lot more effort. If you guys really like that, I'll start doing that again. What I meant when I said hit markers is just a message at the bottom of the screen that says "Hit" or "Enemy Killed"(Battlefield Style), not necessarily a counter. Awesome editing with the slow-mo and music was good for a montage. I liked it. Thanks, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Do you think that should be in montages as well as gameplay? Previously, I've put a little "Hit Confirmed" above the "(insert GSAT member name here)'s Point of View" for my gameplay videos. I've never put anything of this sort into a montage.
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Post by Squirrel on Apr 23, 2014 11:24:21 GMT -5
I really think we should start enforcing not identifying targets the same way as blind fire. That had to be the worst game for me getting lit up as a Ref. I was wearing a damn bright green vest for gods sake!
Somebody who thought they were a sniper shot me within there MED right in the freaking shoulder, there were no enemies even remotely close. I got several full auto blasts to the face while I was standing alone with nobody even in the line of fire. Hell, I even yelled at one kid that I was the Ref, and he actually shot at me again! I watched him raise his gun and shoot at me not even 30 seconds after I yelled at him.
If this continues to be a problem, don't be surprised if you are asked to sit out a game. Accidents happen, but there are some people that seem to just shoot at anything that moves, and we need to stop that.
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Post by guitardrumr on Apr 23, 2014 12:23:24 GMT -5
I really think we should start enforcing not identifying targets the same way as blind fire. That had to be the worst game for me getting lit up as a Ref. I was wearing a damn bright green vest for gods sake! Somebody who thought they were a sniper shot me within there MED right in the freaking shoulder, there were no enemies even remotely close. I got several full auto blasts to the face while I was standing alone with nobody even in the line of fire. Hell, I even yelled at one kid that I was the Ref, and he actually shot at me again! I watched him raise his gun and shoot at me not even 30 seconds after I yelled at him. If this continues to be a problem, don't be surprised if you are asked to sit out a game. Accidents happen, but there are some people that seem to just shoot at anything that moves, and we need to stop that. Damn, that is pretty bad. I was purposely not taking shots on some people because I knew I'd likely hit a ref (specifically on Castle, had a ref standing below a window with someone in it). Pretty sad that someone would not only light you up like that, but continue even after being told point blank that you're a ref.
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Post by AKS on Apr 23, 2014 12:47:52 GMT -5
I, as always, had a great time at No Limits. Besides the random gusts of wind, the weather was great. Got to see familiar faces, as well as see some new.
Despite what others are saying, I didn't have many problems at all. It seemed everyone I encountered called their hits. The only problem I had was already addressed; players shooting at others that are hit/ out of play. I didn't get it as bad as Pagan during the castle game, but I still did take a couple shots to the back of the neck while standing in the respawn zone. However, that doesn't change the fact that I had a blast.
Thanks to Pagan, Gunny, Squirrel, and the rest of the SK crew for hosting another fun event!
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Post by Stinger on Apr 25, 2014 15:58:54 GMT -5
Hey Mosin, did you by any chance have any issues during the first match of the day? I think that I have you on video in your ghillie. One of the guys on my team wearing a GoPro got very close to you (probably in your engagement distance for your sniper) and you started shooting at him with your gas pistol. You had been laying down at the base of some trees. You missed every shot at my friend (got pretty close). My friend was totally oblivious the whole time until someone told him you were there and then he sprayed a burst into you and you got up and walked away. I heard some people yelling "You're hit motherfucker, get out," in the video, but I can't tell which team it's coming from or who it's directed at. If you had any issues during that time, the video may be able to explain it.
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Post by Mosin on Apr 25, 2014 20:28:14 GMT -5
Yeah, he was the first guy I had issue with. I hit him once while he was running up to that tree in the first place (heard the thwack on his chest rig, and I shoot pink bbs with the sniper rifle, so it's pretty easy to follow). Once he was there and oblivious I gave him the courtesy second shot on his backside, as he had probably 40% of his body exposed at the angle I was at. I can't remember if he had a modular assault pack or a hydro, or if I aimed at his dump pouch, but it was somewhere that wasn't his actual body that again, would give that audible thwack and let him know. He poked around and I drew the pistol, as I didn't want to take risk shots inside the MED. We can argue that the second shot I took with the bolt was too close for comfort, but I know where my bbs will land when we're 35-40 feet away, and I'll only take the shot if I can 100% promise I can hit a hard part of the player and not skin/clothing, so I took the one and when it started to get complicated as he was turning I drew the pistol. I was able to get off another round on that as he turned and spotted me that went into the gear again, after the first one flew overhead, then when he raised his weapon and I just shot until the gas malfunctioned and I had to reload. At that point he dropped a good burst into my shoulders and chest.
I'll be honest, I'm not really totally upset that he didn't call or feel or whatever those first few shots I connected with him, because I know when players run they'll mistake bb impact for a twig hitting the gear. But there was literally no need for the full auto barrage that he laid into me, I'd be interested to see what the footage has to say about it though.
EDIT: If you could, I'd like footage from the moment he left the first tree to run to the one where he shot me from, to see if you could catch the flying pink bb in any of those frames as well.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 25, 2014 22:55:33 GMT -5
Yeah, he was the first guy I had issue with. I hit him once while he was running up to that tree in the first place (heard the thwack on his chest rig, and I shoot pink bbs with the sniper rifle, so it's pretty easy to follow). Once he was there and oblivious I gave him the courtesy second shot on his backside, as he had probably 40% of his body exposed at the angle I was at. I can't remember if he had a modular assault pack or a hydro, or if I aimed at his dump pouch, but it was somewhere that wasn't his actual body that again, would give that audible thwack and let him know. He poked around and I drew the pistol, as I didn't want to take risk shots inside the MED. We can argue that the second shot I took with the bolt was too close for comfort, but I know where my bbs will land when we're 35-40 feet away, and I'll only take the shot if I can 100% promise I can hit a hard part of the player and not skin/clothing, so I took the one and when it started to get complicated as he was turning I drew the pistol. I was able to get off another round on that as he turned and spotted me that went into the gear again, after the first one flew overhead, then when he raised his weapon and I just shot until the gas malfunctioned and I had to reload. At that point he dropped a good burst into my shoulders and chest. I'll be honest, I'm not really totally upset that he didn't call or feel or whatever those first few shots I connected with him, because I know when players run they'll mistake bb impact for a twig hitting the gear. But there was literally no need for the full auto barrage that he laid into me, I'd be interested to see what the footage has to say about it though. EDIT: If you could, I'd like footage from the moment he left the first tree to run to the one where he shot me from, to see if you could catch the flying pink bb in any of those frames as well. He wasn't wearing a chest rig...but I assume you are being general about that. I had a feeling that someone may have hit him during that rush because I heard something but I didn't look too close. I'm going to pause writing this for a second to check the video again. Okay, I just watched it. I heard a sound, but determined it wasn't a BB hit. Right before he got to that tree, there was a "thwack" sound that most people would mistake for a BB hit. I dropped the file into Adobe Audition to look at the audio channels and the sound actually occurs twice very fast within about 100 milliseconds - basically, the camera bounced on his head a bit, and since it's a GoPro in a hard shell case, it made a nice "thwack" sound. I couldn't see a BB either hit him, but I did see a BB land on the tree he was running to. I assume it ricocheted off the front of his body into the tree in front of him. So I agree you may have hit him at that first shot, but it made no noise that the camera picked up so I can't be 100% on that. I assume it was you, then, who said immediately after this, "You're hit motherfucker, get out of there!" Hahaha As for your second shot, I can be 100% certain that it did not hit him. He had a small sapling up against his back, and you can clearly hear the BB hit that. It is a much different sound than it hitting gear. You can also hear it then ricochet off of the sapling and hit the big tree next to it. By the way, he was wearing a battle belt with a dump-pouch, so I assume that's what you were aiming for. With the pistol shots, I have a pretty good idea of what happened. You fired four shots total. The first was a miss (as you said, probably over him), the second one is a definite hit on his gear somewhere. I can hear it very clearly. After that, your next two shots went nowhere because of whatever gas issues you had. And as for him spraying you...well...you kinda scared the shit out of him. It was a bit uncalled for but he had arms-length so I hope it didn't hurt too bad. After that you got up and walked away. Sorry Mosin, you got at least one solid shot on him, probably another one too (although I can't blame him for that first one, he was running and I can't verify a 100% hit there). I assume he didn't notice the pistol hit either, because he did get hit and call himself out only a minute later. He wasn't intentionally cheating, I can promise that. Like I said, the full-auto was because you scared him shitless. I can hear him take a massive breath as soon as he sees you move and then he brings up the gun. It had already been on full-auto. The whole first match is going on YouTube in the next 48 hours, and I left that entire time with him in the forest unedited and uninterrupted by other video from other team members. Again, I apologize for his contribution to making the day worse for you. I honestly don't think it was intentional, but that does not change it. Do you feel any action should be taken? I'm his team captain. I will of course talk to him about it. EDIT: Just noticed that all of this is what you were talking about when you made your first post in this thread. Again, really sorry EDIT (Yes, another freakin' edit!): I rewatched the video again, and I think he actually did notice that pistol hit. He immediately turned to look in your direction right after it hit him, didn't see you (I'll be honest, you were camouflaged really well), bobbed his head a bit looking for you, spotted you when you sat up to reload, and then shot you. I'm talking to him now, he denies having intentionally not called that. I think he reacted instinctively on that hit and didn't consciously notice it in the heat of the moment. Again, he got hit out just a minute later, so I don't think he was intentionally cheating.
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Post by Mosin on Apr 25, 2014 23:25:34 GMT -5
I could have mistaken the chest rig for the battle belt, but when he was running to the tree he originally hid behind I can say with a very high certainty I hit him. As I said though, I understand when players are moving it's hard to pick stuff like that up, no less from a guy shooting maybe one bb every ten seconds.
When he was behind that tree with his back exposed is the prime moment I had the one clear shot on him. If there was any out of the three I fired and connected, I would have said this second one would have been it. When he turned and I hit him on his gear and you hear the audible thwack I presumed that one would have also been lost as most players don't feel anything that isn't a shot in the face when they're moving as fast as they are. I'm surprised that his GoPro picked up anything in the first place, but it's a relief to confirm that you viewing the footage agree that I connected with him.
I didn't say "you're out mother fucker" because if you know anything about me I've been playing for almost ten years now and I understand to give benefit of the doubt more often than not. In this case even though I was 110% certain I had connected with him on more than one occasion I decided to chalk it up to it just being what it is and decided to tell the refs to keep an eye on him in case it was intentional cheating.
I understand that while I may be ghillied up that could be cause for scaring people, but I still don't see how that warrants ever needing your weapon on full auto. It didn't hurt bad though and I'm not concerned about the pain itself, more or less the principle of a shooter telling himself he needs to run full auto on another player that is 30 feet away or so.
In regards to action being taken, it's your team member and your judgement. we've kicked members off of RAGE in the past for not calling hits, and didn't dive any deeper into was it intentional or not. I'd at the very least talk to the player at hand and inform him that when shit is going on he needs to be 100% in tune with any possibility of bb contact with his gear, so he doesn't frustrate other players in the future. I understand that to someone who has never been in a real engagement or situation that an intense airsoft firefight might get the adrenaline going, but players need to realize that bbs can still connect even on the weirdest of angles where they wouldn't think enemy fire would come from.
Again, having an 8x powered scope and shooting pink bbs, as well as having a finely tuned Maruzen APS2 spring rifle, I'm very certain I know where my impacts are going to be, although I give benefit of the doubt and a lot of leeway on long distance shots, closer encounters like what I experienced there I can say with definitive certainty I hit your team member at least twice before he turned and unleashed full auto on me, which is why I just took a deep breath, realized it was just airsoft, and walked off. Whoever yelled at your team member was most likely due to either seeing first hand what happened (had some dudes behind me that your guy was trading off with say "what the hell? I saw you hit him!") or maybe they also thought they shot him out on that maneuver as well. I know when he ran up to that tree the rate of fire from the regular AEG platforms from behind me increased quite a bit.
Don't apologize for your team member, and kudos to you for owning up to this situation even though it wasn't you personally. I hope that the guy on your team that was filming this is just aware of what happened, and he corrects it in the future.
EDIT due to your edit: Me hitting him and then him looking in that direction is exactly what happened. I mentioned this to several of the mods before the first game even began that as a sniper it is especially frustrating when I connect with a player and they look to see where it came from, and if they can't see another player with his weapon aimed at him they assume it's a branch or something and keep going. This is exactly what happened here, and I'm excited to see it on camera.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 25, 2014 23:51:52 GMT -5
I didn't say "you're out mother fucker" because if you know anything about me I've been playing for almost ten years now and I understand to give benefit of the doubt more often than not. I only assumed on this, as it happened right after when he got to that tree. Sorry, I just thought that was a bit funny when listening to the video. I don't think it was a tan guy, because the voice is very close to the camera. Probably was a green guy a bit behind my friend, yelling at one of the tan guys. Who knows (or cares). I know you're really sure of this one, but I am positive you hit the sapling and not him. It's not important, since you had probably hit him while running prior to the second shot, and you definitely hit him with your pistol after. Just an example of how the cameras tend to pick up on things that no one else ever noticed. The weapon was on full-auto because of other tan players he had been shooting at. It was too tough to get through the vegetation with semi, so he used full to ensure that at least one or two would make it to target. He didn't switch back to semi to shoot you because you scared him, and he just reacted. Not right, I know, but it's the only explanation I can offer. Already done, and he has informed me to tell you that he is very sorry. He didn't notice anything at the time and was really pumped up. Like I said, I'm certain it wasn't intentional cheating, since he was totally out of the game just a minute later. Don't worry, I've got it under control. Video doesn't lie, so I can easily monitor in the future. Shouldn't continue to be a problem. Yeah, sorry. I don't know how to help you with that. Normally I just flip to full-auto and dump twenty rounds into the person if they don't call my "nice" shots, but you don't have that luxury. I also don't think you'd be as mean as I am either. Honestly I would start aiming for skin or clothing. Pain is part of the game, and I personally wouldn't care if you did it to me. I don't think he would have either. We're pretty used to getting shot.
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Post by Mosin on Apr 26, 2014 8:08:14 GMT -5
I typically don't aim for skin out of respect of my own rifle. Although I was only shooting 480 fps w/ a .20, in the past my rifle platforms have peaked right at the 545 fps marker, so I usually aim for stuff that makes loud audible confirmation. I'm aware that it's just airsoft and if you think you'll go an entire day without a welt then you're in the wrong sport, I just give people that courtesy as it was almost always afforded to me when I was starting to get into the sport.
No need to tenderize the meat of this dead horse any further, I appreciate your looking into this and your friend owning up to it. Hindsight 20/20 I should have just tucked my head down and let your team run past me before standing up and shooting multiple players in the back from inside your lines, but I think our boys ended up pushing that side back anyways, as I was able to sink bbs into the small house in the back upon respawn.
Hope to play with you again soon.
EDIT: Any chance we can still see the video? I thought I was in a pretty decent spot but I'm curious to know what the GoPro thinks from the receiving end angle.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 26, 2014 8:25:36 GMT -5
EDIT: Any chance we can still see the video? I thought I was in a pretty decent spot but I'm curious to know what the GoPro thinks from the receiving end angle. Yeah, like I said, it will be on YouTube soon. I'll give a link when it is.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 26, 2014 19:14:53 GMT -5
EDIT: Any chance we can still see the video? I thought I was in a pretty decent spot but I'm curious to know what the GoPro thinks from the receiving end angle. Yeah, like I said, it will be on YouTube soon. I'll give a link when it is. I apologize for the double post, but here's the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvDubXgZRGoEDIT: Here's a link to the first Reverse 300 game at the castle (from the attacking point of view): www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYlYXHlFfg&list=PLDBBAE5045AD6B63D
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