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Post by T6e9a on Mar 14, 2014 13:20:50 GMT -5
I was scrolling through my Facebook and ran into a post from Team BLACKSHEEP, sharing a picture of a product from Wolverine Airsoft. wolverineairsoft.com/To me looks like a soon to be competitive product with the P* market. I didn't find a price yet, but I kinda imagine that it might be a little cheaper than P* Thoughts people? Good idea?
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Post by Squirrel on Mar 14, 2014 13:26:24 GMT -5
From what I heard, the price for the kit was around $400, but I cannot find the source for that.
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Post by Gimpalong on Mar 14, 2014 13:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by Gunny87 on Mar 14, 2014 14:05:17 GMT -5
This puts it at $110 cheaper than a Fusion engine. But at $110 less you don't get a "true" drop in setup like you do with the Fusion Engine. You have to remove the gearbox, pull out all the internals and drop in the cylinder kit, air line, FCU and wiring and you have to set up the trigger for it. The install looks very easy however but there's still installation required.
To some that $110 might mean the difference between investing in an EPAR or not. If they're willing to do a little bit of work themselves. Others might see that $110 difference as a piece of mind that you're getting a proven system from Polar Star. We can only speculate at the reliability of the SMP at this point although it should be similar compared to a P* Fusion Engine due to the fact that they appear to be identical systems.
Personally I think it's a little on the expensive side, but hey it's still cheaper than a P* Fusion Engine or a Daytona gun. Which makes it the cheapest EP airsoft set up to date.
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Post by kevikev on Mar 16, 2014 21:55:05 GMT -5
They should do introductory / pre-order pricing @ $300 to kick the product off
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Post by Squirrel on Mar 16, 2014 22:01:37 GMT -5
With high priced items, severely undercutting their competitor can make their product look cheap and turn off a large chunk of their target market. Price = Quality right?
I'm sure their marketing department did tons of price research to set it where it is at. It is just far enough under P* prices to capture people who are on the fence about the expense of the P* platform without endangering their image.
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Post by Hogs Tooth *7.62* on Mar 17, 2014 0:42:01 GMT -5
After looking at the pics and reading about it several times it seems a little cheaply made. I understand someone wants to compete with p* because at the moment no one really does. P* has gone through the test of time and performance to get its name and I believe that these guys need to prove that their product can compete with p* by showing the consumer its capabilities and really sell the product. To really sum it up this kit is polar star's CYMA.
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Post by Coldwave on Mar 17, 2014 10:59:58 GMT -5
How so? What examples do you have? After reading it over it doesn't sound like too bad of a system.
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Post by Gimpalong on Mar 17, 2014 11:22:35 GMT -5
I think it's a bit of a stretch to conclude that it is cheaply made from the pictures we have seen. It obviously doesn't look as well put together as a fusion engine since it lacks the fully-enclosed CNCed box that the fusion engine is installed in.
The design itself is basically a revised Kuba-T1000 that utilizes a gun's existing gearbox. I don't think we can draw any conclusions about the materials, solenoids, board, etc without having them in front of us. The most glaring thing that strikes me is how the trigger switch wires are bent back over themselves and how the air-line elbow doesn't seem to be secured within the shell. A strong pull on either the FCU cable or the air-line looks like it could cause something to be dislodged.
I'd worry less about the quality of the parts than actually being able to install the engine itself.
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Post by slippy on Mar 18, 2014 22:38:13 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what happens with this but I can already see why I will stay with P*. Something seems a little fishy with it to me, I think Gimpalong hit the nail on the head. Personally, I notice that the P* market is largely turning younger and younger and their uber expensive guns are being paid for by mommy and daddy. I think that if someone reputable starts up an install service then parents will probably flock to that price point.
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Post by Ogre on Mar 18, 2014 22:40:51 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what happens with this but I can already see why I will stay with P*. Something seems a little fishy with it to me, I think Gimpalong hit the nail on the head. Personally, I notice that the P* market is largely turning younger and younger and their uber expensive guns are being paid for by mommy and daddy. I think that if someone reputable starts up an install service then parents will probably flock to that price point. Or you know, everyone can just jump on the Tippmann train.
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Post by slippy on Mar 18, 2014 22:51:18 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what happens with this but I can already see why I will stay with P*. Something seems a little fishy with it to me, I think Gimpalong hit the nail on the head. Personally, I notice that the P* market is largely turning younger and younger and their uber expensive guns are being paid for by mommy and daddy. I think that if someone reputable starts up an install service then parents will probably flock to that price point. Or you know, everyone can just jump on the Tippmann train. The Tippmann seemed like a solid gun when I messed around with it at Mir's event last year but the level of adjustment is highly limited compared to a P* like platform. As an intro into HPA powered replicas it is awesome but make no mistake, it's like Tippmann is still playing in the minors while P* is playing the all-star game. I'm am excited though to see how Tippmann advances in the coming years.
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Post by Gimpalong on Mar 19, 2014 9:08:43 GMT -5
I'm actually a fan of the limitations that the Tippmann rifle imposes. Being limited to around 400 FPS and around 20 RPS will likely prevent a lot of the abuses we see with the Polarstar platform.
The other thing about the Tippmann system that I think is being overlooked is that it's a GIM (Gas In Magazine) system that actually allows you to carry a decent amount of rounds in each magazine and shoot them all.
If you buy a normal GBBR you're look at carrying 30-40 shots per magazine, whereas the Tippmann magazine will, supposedly, hold 80 rounds per magazine. So rather than having to give up 60-70% of the capacity of a normal mid-cap, you're only giving up 20% of that same capacity using the Tippmann magazines.
Granted it won't have the same strong blow-back as a GBBR.
As some have mentioned, it seems like this Wolverine system will be good for dropping into guns that have oddly shaped gearboxes or that aren't straight V2 or V3.
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Post by Coldwave on Mar 19, 2014 9:42:28 GMT -5
I will be buying a tippman gun because I don't feel like I need all the extras that an fcu offers. I can get by just fine with an HPA rig and a good hop up set up. Plus the cheaper air rig set up will be nice. Personally (beating the dead horse) I don't see the need in shooting 30+ rounds a second. My Masada shoots 35ish and I only use semi auto anyways, so the 20 rps limit is nice to me even though I'll use semi auto only anyways. The only downside I'll see is I will spend a metric shit ton on real steel accessories. Cause of course you can't put repro stuff on a RS rail.(;
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Post by slippy on Mar 19, 2014 9:42:36 GMT -5
As some have mentioned, it seems like this Wolverine system will be good for dropping into guns that have oddly shaped gearboxes or that aren't straight V2 or V3. In my eyes Gimp it's both a good thing and a bad thing with the limited tuningfor the Tippmann. Q: Is the length of the air nozzle fixed or does it use the air nozzle from the AEG? A: The length is fixed. We will be providing air nozzles for different gun models. Source: www.wolverineairsoft.com/index.php/products/18-faqIt looks like, for now at least, that the SMP with only be able to be used in one type of gun since you cannot just swap in your AEG's nozzle that you currently use. From the looks of their galleries the M4 style is all that will be available at launch.
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