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Post by Coldwave on Feb 26, 2014 10:53:42 GMT -5
I think at this past Northern Lights people were spot chrono'd, so it's getting there. I know they were a lot better about it this year.
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Post by steelfallenangel on Feb 26, 2014 10:55:06 GMT -5
As we've said its not regular airsofters and people that are in good standing with the community that most worry about. It's that one random guy that no one knows that comes in and makes everyone have a bad day.
Now I don't think anyone here has implied this risk requires us to limit the use of P*s or shun their users. Just that the systems adapatibility makes some people concerned if a unscrupulus indiviual decides to use one. A few bad apples don't nessecarly need to spoil the whole bunch. Just that members of the community need to watch out for anyone that may cause a issue for the rest of us.
And I've never heard of anyone really concerned with any gun shooting in the 20-30 range. It's those that break 40 that I feel is where people start getting alittle skittsh.
As for Gunny comment about how that situation I described can happen with any gun or user, people don't readily think that most guns can reach the ROF ceiling easily that P*s can.
I guess it all would come down to trust. Do you trust that the other particpant is going to respect you and not hose you down at close range on accident. It's accidents personally that I'm most concerned about. Not someone being a ass and going out of their way to injure someone but a laspe in judgement that causes someone to have a bad day (or at least a little painful experience). Now I understand that participating in airsoft or paintball carries with it a certian level of pain that is expected to be experienced, be if our goal was to inflict pain on our targets we'd all be running 500+fps rifles and full auto at point blank regardless of platform.
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Post by Pagan on Feb 26, 2014 11:13:36 GMT -5
I think at this past Northern Lights people were spot chrono'd, so it's getting there. I know they were a lot better about it this year. We've spot chronoed people at our no limits games. Both P* and AEG.
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Post by slippy on Feb 26, 2014 11:28:36 GMT -5
It's good that you do Pagan, for sure. Dishonest people are always going to be dishonest. Spot checking, IMO, is the only way to discourage players from just going out to their car and doing something such as putting on a 400 FPS MED zip-tie when they know their gun is shooting hotter. Spot checking can only stand to benefit the ENTIRE community.
To clarify though I have seen it being done at most of the events that I attended, even saw a player with a PTW get ejected for a violation. But mainly I was getting more at something along the line of if you're honest and follow the rules there is no real reason to worry about being spot checked and as long as it's not one system being singled out then I'm whole-heartedly in favor of it.
Kudos to SK btw for this.
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Post by Pagan on Feb 26, 2014 11:34:33 GMT -5
It's good that you do Pagan, for sure. Dishonest people are always going to be dishonest. Spot checking, IMO, is the only way to discourage players from just going out to their car and doing something such as putting on a 400 FPS MED zip-tie when they know their gun is shooting hotter. Spot checking can only stand to benefit the ENTIRE community. To clarify though I have seen it being done at most of the events that I attended, even saw a player with a PTW get ejected for a violation. But mainly I was getting more at something along the line of if you're honest and follow the rules there is no real reason to worry about being spot checked and as long as it's not one system being singled out then I'm whole-heartedly in favor of it. Kudos to SK btw for this. We started doing it after we had issue with younger inexperienced players sneaking co2 revolvers on the field. We've actually banned them, unless the player can prove that it has been modded to shoot under 400. We make them place a fresh co2 cartridge in and then chrono. As far as spot checking, LC is doing it to all types of replicas. My self and two other players were spot checked last year at NL. All of us had standard AEGs. They chronoed us first to make sure we were within limits, and then matched our FPS to the tags on our replicas. I agree wholeheartedly that spot chronos can help keep potential cheaters in check. Everyone I've checked was cool with it. Their replicas were within limits, so they had nothing to worry about.
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Post by steelfallenangel on Feb 26, 2014 11:41:01 GMT -5
Reminds me of a funny instance where a spot check ended up warning me about a airseal problem that had cropped up half way through a game. Chrono'd at the begining at a 400 medium. But later in the day I was spot checked at 310.
Referee was a bit perplexed to say the least. Asked if I wanted to have it retagged but said he'd perfer it if I simply used a backup if I had it. I did happen to have one and got it tagged and ran it the rest of the day.
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Post by Gimpalong on Feb 26, 2014 12:51:11 GMT -5
The introduction of the Firebase air-rig has basically solved the issues with adjusting the PSI on the fly since it incorporated a tournament lock. Most people seem to running the Firebase nowadays.
Obviously, a few of us who have older style air-rigs like the Redline Devgru have to either buy tournament locks (available for the SMC-III style regs) or just, as Slippy said, have our packs zip-tied shut. Honestly, all you really need is a sticker or tag stating the PSI and energy output. I think I still have the zip-tie type label tag listing the PSI and energy level attached to my gun from some event last year (either NL or the Mir event at Sherwood Forest).
As others have mentioned, it makes a lot more sense to chrono using energy.
If the ROF of Polarstars is a concern, just require Polarstar users to lock their guns in semi-auto only. Problems will start to crop up when some guy with A DSG is laying waste at 40 RPS and the P* guys are still firing semi-only.
It's not the platform; it's how the platform is used.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Mar 14, 2014 18:15:55 GMT -5
Can someone elaborate on the issue of installing a fusion engine into a SR-25, like such as a body that uses a v2.5 gearbox. How would you go about using a regular hop up unit and such? What nozzles would need to be used in order to achieve a successful install. I heard that Scar-H nozzles are what should be used but im not sure If that was confirmed.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards
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Post by slippy on Mar 14, 2014 21:53:37 GMT -5
As far as I know you may need to shim the fe and buy a longer nozzle. Seems to be pretty simple.
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Post by dizzyshot (Bad Company) on Mar 14, 2014 22:37:56 GMT -5
Why is it that p* are so expensive? Is it because of the parts and labor into the engine or is their something else behind the price?
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Post by slippy on Mar 14, 2014 23:57:05 GMT -5
Well, almost everything on it is cnc, not cast. It utilizes solenoids. It is controlled by a circuit board with a digital display, processor and solid state/ non-volatile memory so that your settings don't just disappear. Plus the trigger response is better than ALMOST any AEG out there. Plus it's easy to go from cqb to field to sniping all with one nozzle.
The bottom line is you're paying for materials, adjustability, reliability and performance. Any AEG can be made to do what a P* does but it can't switch roles anywhere near as fast.
I got one for the primary reason that it's near identical internally to a high end paintball gun, so I already possessed the knowledge to tech and tune the living shit out of it.
At the end of the day it's your money, it's a big lump of cash at first but I couldn't be any more happy with my current set up.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Mar 15, 2014 7:51:01 GMT -5
No idea how to shim a FE, looks like ill be sending it somewhere to be installed.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards
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Post by Gimpalong on Mar 15, 2014 8:19:21 GMT -5
Shimming the FE is basically inserting shims (duh) under the front end of the engine in order to get the air-nozzle centered with the hop-up unit. You may also have to shim a bit from side to side to make sure everything is centered. This is not to be confused with poppet shims which are related to the FE, but totally different.
If you ask around on Pstartalk, the Polarstar FB group, or even e-mail Amped Airsoft, they should be able to give you a good methodology for shimming the FE to make sure you're getting a proper seal. It seems like it is basically a lot of trial and error, but I never had to adjust anything like that on my FE so I can't speak from experience.
Bishop, haven't you been having a lot of issues with AEGs and CTWs lately?
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Mar 15, 2014 9:08:18 GMT -5
Bishop, haven't you been having a lot of issues with AEGs and CTWs lately? So much so that I want to just play airsoft with a rubber knife.
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Post by Coldwave on Mar 15, 2014 9:08:57 GMT -5
Done it, its quite fun.
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