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Post by Squirrel on Feb 27, 2014 19:59:12 GMT -5
Chris, I can really respect your choice of BIO only since you have tributary streams. Our trout populations in the state are already dwindling, and dumping plastic into the streams is no good. I would hope other airsofters could also respect this while playing in areas that feed into trout streams. There are a lot of fish that feed off of eggs, and bbs might look like a tasty snack.
+1 to good stewardship.
If a player could confirm their bbs are bio, would the owner allow it? (must bring in original package, not dumped in an ammo box or something?)
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 27, 2014 20:12:37 GMT -5
Yeah I still have a couple bags of Biovals from past Northern Lights that I've been holding on to for bio only games. I would happily use those at Futureball. Chris, I've played both airsoft and paintball at Futureball in the past. I'm hoping to play airsoft there again if we can get over this hurdle with field bb's only.
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Post by Cats (Doom) on Feb 27, 2014 21:16:47 GMT -5
If I was planning on going here, then the Bio BBs would have quashed that plan for me.
It's really beginning to sound like the owner doesn't want airsofters there; he wants paintballers, teambuilding events, and local kids who want to play with airsoft guns. Everything described so far sounds like its oriented toward the casual paintball sales style of "show up in casual wear, pay for a complete gun rental package, and then go play team deathmatch untill time runs out". Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's definatally not what many of the established airsoft players on here are looking for in a game. Just my 2¢.
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Post by Knief on Feb 27, 2014 21:19:35 GMT -5
Yep and I knew the response I was going to get about that I just wanted to throw it out there so no one made the trip without a warning. I'm doing what I can but I think the furthest ill get is only bio bbs. I won't push further than bio FYI because there is a few creeks on the property that lead to the Huron river and I don't want plastic in the water. So at the very least it will be bio only. I'll keep you guys posted. Real quick though how many of you have been to our fields, or plan on coming this year? I just want to get a sample head count. And one very last thing before I go, we will have an airsoft appreciation day(free admission) this year (date pending) how many of you would attend that? Years ago (2005-2007ish), Erich (El Phantasamo), myself, and a few other guys used to run games at Futureball. We ran monthly games for a few years, easily totaling 20+. The field is a lot of fun, but dealing with James was a major turn off. We had many of the same issues that are coming up here, which is disheartening to say the least. We understood that paintball was always going to be his priority, and that was fine. The biggest problem was that he took no interest in learning how we wanted to play the game, and as a result, tried to force us to follow the same formula he used for paintball. Back then it was imposing a 15 minute limit on all games and cycling us into speedball fields that nobody had any interest in playing. He's making the exact same mistake here by forcing field bbs. It works for paintball, so he's trying to force it on airsoft, but it's not going to happen. The games are different, the equipment is different, and the communities are different. If James would really put some thought into that, or at least relent to somebody who understands that, he'd stand to have one of the better airsoft fields in the state. Until it's very clear to me that he has done that, I'm absolutely not interested in attending another game there. I'll go to No Limits, Hell Survivor, Hole in the Wall, the new SFOD, or one of the CQB joints.
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Post by Relarz on Feb 27, 2014 21:40:41 GMT -5
Not to mention, he tried to insinuate that we were shooting holes in peoples windshields. Given the FPS standards we have (that haven't changed SINCE I started playing back in 2006, mind you), does anyone know of any replicas that can knock a hole in a regular window, let alone car windscreens? I miss the SEMIA monthies and the ops at Futureball, and the field was pretty awesome (the house on the hill, the bus (which still has no motor. If you don't get that joke, then I don't know what to tell you ) I now have a set of full seal wiley X's, and I didn't drop about $100 on them to just wear a paintball mask. The full mask thing is definitely my breaking point. Especially considering in 2010/2011, there was a game at futureball that allowed for only shemaghs/balaclava's for your face? Back in 06/07, Futureball was basically one of the only places on this side of the state running anything regular for airsoft. Given the choices available now, I don't know that I'll be back there with the detriments they put on me as the player.
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Post by Knief on Feb 27, 2014 21:49:28 GMT -5
I wasn't going to bring up the windshield thing because it's not a recurring event. But yeah, Gunslinger mounted the hood of a prop car with a 550 FPS cylinder in his PTW and unloaded a full mag of .30s into the windshield and all it did was clean off the dried on paint. There was absolutely no way we broke the windshield and James increasing our price for every future game in order to pay for it was absolute shit.
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Post by Relarz on Feb 27, 2014 22:12:01 GMT -5
Especially after we proved that it wasn't us. Why would I want to go someplace where the hosts are going to look at me like some kind of criminal?
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Post by Tank on Feb 27, 2014 22:18:03 GMT -5
I liked a couple of the refs at futureball when I was playing paintball there, never cared for the owner, especially after he overcharged my work when I had us do a company outing there. Honestly it wasn't long after that happened that I switched to playing at no limits. It really sounds like the best thing the owner can do is let his people handle things and just stay out of it.
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Post by Coldwave on Feb 27, 2014 22:35:24 GMT -5
I'm sure if you implememted a bio only rule most people won't care, I know a lot of us shoot bios anyways.
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Post by Mosin on Feb 28, 2014 8:10:15 GMT -5
I don't shoot bios, and on field where dirt is primarily the ground covering, it's difficult for paintballers to "throw stones" when 90% of the walls look like they were taken from a hippy convention, and that shit gets all over your gear. If it were a 100% concrete MOUT town, like in Ft. Knox, that's understandable. But you should know the more filters you put on things the less and less you can expect to come.
If they were to conform with normal FPS limits, in addition to getting with the times on face protection, futureball would be a place I'd very much like to run one of our linear games at this coming year.
There are a lot of ways you can get around the whole paintballers having priority bit, the easiest way is rent out up to half of your field to the airsofters to run games the way we like them, and leave the other half to the paintballers to play the five minute round robin shit they do. If that's not good enough because of administrative reasons (lack of walls/barriers in between the fields) then wait until you're having a speedball tournament, or if you have one scheduled put that date out to guys that run events, like our team. That way, we can coordinate to use even more of the field, and you're basically looking at bringing in an extra $1-2,000 per major event you allow.
If that's not enough sense to take a look at the standing rules in place, then that field must not like money.
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Post by Squirrel on Feb 28, 2014 8:15:43 GMT -5
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Post by Zigi on Mar 1, 2014 2:25:44 GMT -5
However our insurance does not allow us to run night games... How does the insurance allow 700 fps cap but not allow night games? That seems rediculous.
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Post by SkyPilot on Mar 1, 2014 22:05:55 GMT -5
Yep and I knew the response I was going to get about that I just wanted to throw it out there so no one made the trip without a warning. I'm doing what I can but I think the furthest ill get is only bio bbs. I won't push further than bio FYI because there is a few creeks on the property that lead to the Huron river and I don't want plastic in the water. So at the very least it will be bio only. I'll keep you guys posted. Real quick though how many of you have been to our fields, or plan on coming this year? I just want to get a sample head count. And one very last thing before I go, we will have an airsoft appreciation day(free admission) this year (date pending) how many of you would attend that? Firstly, thanks for the warning. What type of BB's are you selling? Brand/Weight/Price? .12g? Many of us have been to Futureball in the past, I've hosted a airsoft game that brought approx 130 people. I will not commit on returning until the following has been posted by futureball: 1. Revised FPS limits. 2. Revised BB selection/choice/cost. 3. Game play cost. 4. Final posting of rules/regulations/safety equipment/cost. (No offense, I feel like there's more surprises along the way.) 5. Commitment from John on the terms and conditions for airsoft. I went through hoops with him when I hosted the last airsoft event at Furtureball. ...Things that make you go Hmm.. -Sky
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Post by Vic (Rattlehead) on Mar 21, 2014 13:01:55 GMT -5
Sorry for the somewhat necropost, but I had to say this. I have been playing at Futureball since I started to play airsoft at the beginning of last summer, and although I've enjoyed myself there, I would like to experience the true way of playing rec airsoft(as in NOT milsim) without having to drive 40+ minutes each way. If all that was summed up by SkyPilot is revised, that would give a lot of airsofters from the surrounding areas, MiA or not, a field that is not too far to drive to and affordable to play at. If we had to choose between a bigger field that's closer, or a smaller field that's further(depending on where you're located of course), then the turn out at Futureball would be great. However, if we have to choose between a closer, bigger field with a bunch of unorthodox limitations and regulations, versus a further, smaller field with standard proven rules and regulations, then obviously most of us are going to go the extra mile so that we can enjoy ourselves with peace of mind. There is definitely potential to do something great here, but it appears to me that the only limit that is presented to Futureball, is one that is imposed by Futureball. I know that you, Chris, are not in control of some of these things, and I know too well how dealing with someone that is stubborn sometimes requires more than just common sense, but if the owner would see the potential he is in presence of, we could all win, MiA, Futureball, and everyone in between.
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Post by Snarf on Mar 21, 2014 16:27:06 GMT -5
I would also like to add something: follow the example of No Limits in Taylor MI. They're also a paintball field, but they've adapted to airsoft very well. That field is twice as far as future all for me, but I had a better time there (the one game I went to) compared to the relatively many times I've been to future all. And it's not the field itself- that part is great.
I'm not going to redundantly repeat everything that everyone else said in terms of rules and whatnot, but basically the point is this: do what No Limits is doing!
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