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Post by futureball on Feb 26, 2014 12:43:49 GMT -5
Cool appreciate it, I'm also a Dremel expert so I can cut those barrel windows for bigger spacers too, like the mad bull shark hopup won't fit in most barrels. Thanks squirrel!
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Post by Squirrel on Feb 26, 2014 13:27:57 GMT -5
The regular r-hop performs well in a standard size window. The AIM barrel I had just had a strange cutout that didn't work well. It seemed like it was cut too deep. I wouldn't worry about extending the cut unless you are doing an "ER-Hop." Extending the window that far with a Dremel would be pretty tough to keep level without making some sort of milling jig.
With a G&G MP5 stock barrel, shooting 320fps, I have been able to hit targets at 200 feet.
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Post by Tank on Feb 27, 2014 10:02:47 GMT -5
I installed a R-hop in my KWA last year for NL4. The last airsoft game I was at, I was out-ranging the other team's sniper. My rifle shoots at 394 FPS with a .20. I always use .30 Biovals with it.
I'm on my phone right now, so I'm not going to try to search for the thread, but someone posted a thread on here (I think within the last 6 months) that was a faster/easier technique to installing an R-hop. Basically it involves using a Z-kit and picking the one that fits flush with the inside of the barrel. Then you only have to sand the outside to match the outer barrel surface. The next time, I'm going to try installing it this way.
Aside from making sure the inside and outside surfaces are flush, the next two things I did with my install was to carefully glue the r-hop to the barrel window, then I glued the bucking to the r-hop as I rolled it back over the barrel. This way, not only does the r-hop always stay in the same position, it also has a perfect airseal.
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Post by futureball on Feb 27, 2014 11:53:50 GMT -5
Just another quick thing, currently we require field ammo only. I'm gonna try and get it changed but we need basically more players to frequent the field so tHe owner sees that airsoft is profitable enough on its own. Also if we do start getting a ton more airsofters we may have enough pull to maybe throw together some new fields and game types. I'll do my best to keep you all posted.
Happy airsoftng!!! Chris
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Post by X on Feb 27, 2014 12:01:13 GMT -5
Yeaaaahhh... Speaking for myself, I won't be going until the field ammo restriction is lifted. No question about that.
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Post by Squirrel on Feb 27, 2014 12:26:59 GMT -5
Field ammo restrictions for airsoft is not really worth it to the airsofter, and will hurt the field as well. Most players are extremely picky about the bbs they use outdoors. Heck, my gun shoots differently brand to brand within the same BB weight.
I stocked up on BBs last year. I bought 6 bottles for my primary rifle, and 5 bottles for a second rifle. Purchasing something I most likely wouldn't even use would add an extra $12+ (per game?) that I don't need or want to pay.
Heck, I would be inclined to toss the owner $5 which is probably his profit for the bbs to not have to buy them so I could play.
Field ammo works with paintball, because you can buy the quantity that you would use for a day of speedball. The way that I play now (semi auto fire and conserving rounds), 5000 rounds in a bag would last me half the season.
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Post by Gimpalong on Feb 27, 2014 12:39:16 GMT -5
Chris,
No other fields in Michigan require players to buy field specific BBs. Again, that may be the way the paintball community does it, but literally no airsoft fields in Michigan have that policy.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 27, 2014 13:49:59 GMT -5
Just another quick thing, currently we require field ammo only. I'm gonna try and get it changed but we need basically more players to frequent the field so tHe owner sees that airsoft is profitable enough on its own. Also if we do start getting a ton more airsofters we may have enough pull to maybe throw together some new fields and game types. I'll do my best to keep you all posted. Happy airsoftng!!! Chris Chris, Is the field ammo only bio-degradable? Since there's been enough replies I won't beat a dead horse, but yeah the field ammo only rule is a big deal breaker for pretty much all airsofters. In paintball, aside from quality and color a .68 cal paintball is pretty much a .68cal paintball. But in airsoft not only do you have different colors but also different weights. Which you already know since you're an airsofter. Many players, including myself have specifically tuned their airsoft guns to optimally perform using specific weighted bbs. If I was forced to use .20's I probably wouldn't event attend a game because my gun wouldn't perform to my liking. .25's maybe I could swing it but I and most others wouldn't be happy. Do you sell different bb weights? If you do, which weights do you offer?
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Post by Tank on Feb 27, 2014 15:10:24 GMT -5
It really goes beyond just certain weights as well. When I played paintball (for 14 years) I never put anywhere near as much research into what brand paintball I was going to use. When X and I R-hop'd our rifles, we literally spent a few days, possibly a week, determining what new BB's we were going to use. I then proceeded to buy 6 bags of them. So yeah, the chances of me using a different BB is zero.
It's not like my paintball guns were cheap either. I owned an autococker, when they were expensive. Then there was the DM6, which was replaced by the Ironmen DM9. Basically I've never spent as much money on an airsoft rifle as I have on any of my paintball guns.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 27, 2014 15:21:59 GMT -5
I hear ya Tank. Trust me I'm just as partial to specific brands of bb's as the next guy is.
And I know what it's like to purchase the most expensive paint (Marballizer for me at the time) as well, only to not be allowed to use it at an FPO paintball filed. Then have the field tell me that their grade paint was just as good if not better. Yeah... right....
At least plastic bb's can be used over the span of years whereas paint has a much more shorter shelf life as well.
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Post by Gimpalong on Feb 27, 2014 16:40:23 GMT -5
To be fair, paintballers do pay a lot of attention to the diameter of their rounds in order to get a good paint-to-barrel match and insure decent accuracy. I'm not so sure that they focus at all on weight even though smaller diameter rounds weigh less.
In retrospect, I suppose I wouldn't mind too much having to shell out for some Futureball field ammo. Unlike some, I'm not too picky about what rounds I shoot provided they are at least quality .20s or .25s. But that brings up two issues.
First, how are you going to tell which BBs are field ammo and which are non-field ammo? Nearly all good quality BBs are white. So if I buy a bag of BBs at Futureball one weekend, the bag tears and I transfer them to another container, there isn't any way for me to prove that these are field ammo rounds, so I could potentially be disallowed from using them when I come back on the next weekend. How will you discriminate between the guy sneaking in his own ammo and the guy who is buying the field ammo? Obviously with paintballs the shell color and the actual paint color can be ordered to a field's preference.
Second, are you going to offer several options to choose from? I paid a lot of money for my replicas, and I'm not going to shoot some janky, off-brand BBs through them that might damage them in some way.
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Post by Tank on Feb 27, 2014 17:58:39 GMT -5
Again, it all boils down to what it always does. We have a few fields to choose from, we will be playing at the fields that give us the least hassle. Honestly, SK regularly got over 100 people at their games at no limits last year. They held their games once a month. I don't see that statistic getting any smaller this year. Generally if a company is trying to steal the business away from another company, they will try to be as accommodating as possible. Imposing a field only BB rule, when as previously stated no other field in Michigan does this, is not exactly enticing us.
I realize you don't make the rules, and that you are trying to inform the field owner of his poor choices, but frankly he isn't going to ever receive a large influx of business from us unless he at least follows suit with what the rest of Michigan is doing. I know he has more land to offer than what no limits does, but he also doesn't have an island with bridges and a well fortified "castle". I've also never run into as many mosquito issues at no limits as I have at Futureball. No limits has even cut paintball play short on a couple days so that we had run of the entire field for an afternoon to night game. They are very accommodating to us and their monthly business from us shows our appreciation.
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Post by futureball on Feb 27, 2014 18:59:40 GMT -5
Yep and I knew the response I was going to get about that I just wanted to throw it out there so no one made the trip without a warning. I'm doing what I can but I think the furthest ill get is only bio bbs. I won't push further than bio FYI because there is a few creeks on the property that lead to the Huron river and I don't want plastic in the water. So at the very least it will be bio only. I'll keep you guys posted. Real quick though how many of you have been to our fields, or plan on coming this year? I just want to get a sample head count. And one very last thing before I go, we will have an airsoft appreciation day(free admission) this year (date pending) how many of you would attend that?
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Post by futureball on Feb 27, 2014 19:10:10 GMT -5
After reading some more messages from you guys I just want to say that paintball has priority at our fields. Not that they can just come and push us off a field or anything like that, but because about 90% of our profit comes from paintball, it will always have the final say. If you can possibly help me come up with a way for us to make more money with airsoft by all means tell me because I want airsoft to run supreme. And another thing about paintball, they do matter the barrel side and paintball size. I frequently have advanced paintball era come and ask about special barrels to change it up for different paint. And we allow people to bring their own paint with their own guns, but with our rentals you must purchase field paint.
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Post by Ogre on Feb 27, 2014 19:35:08 GMT -5
Maybe you can make field bb's only required for rentals? That way If a players gun breaks you know it was his fault, not yours and that protects you against players harassing you due to it.
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