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Post by Puma1 on Feb 5, 2014 22:31:37 GMT -5
Just because we can go that high doesn't mean we need to.
but 4.5 Joules. I'm pretty sure that would go through most standard BDU's. I mean, a fresh co2 cartridge in my Co2 USP will shoot straight through a rather heavy t-shirt (close range, at least), and thats 430fps with a .2
I'll pass unless this is an MIA ONLY event.
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Post by SkyPilot on Feb 6, 2014 21:30:17 GMT -5
To be fair I've gone to futureball at least some 10 times myself, like one guy had a rifle over 400 FPS of those ten times, everyone else had stock rifles, there was nothing really to be worried about. I'll leave my winter spring in my KJW M700, on a 90 degree day, it will shoot around 700 fps. And it'll create a whip sound in the air during it's trajectory. Last time I played at the SFOD field, we did just that. The spring was changed to see how fast it would shoot. And at 200' away it still ripped clean through a pop can using a .43g bb. You say that there's nothing to worry about, until you've been hit at 700fps. There will be someone who will want to up there FPS, because they can, or they think it's funny, or because they believe people aren't calling their hits. And it's not a question of if, but when it happens, there will be hurt delivered. The limits set not just on this board, but others as well (Ohio, Maryland, etc) is based on experience and safety concerns. If you ignore these suggestions, then you are creating an unsafe environment to play airsoft. Crazy FPS limits, make this no longer a safe and fun game, but game of violence.
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Post by snafu on Feb 7, 2014 9:21:26 GMT -5
To be fair I've gone to futureball at least some 10 times myself, like one guy had a rifle over 400 FPS of those ten times, everyone else had stock rifles, there was nothing really to be worried about. Last time I played at the SFOD field, we did just that. The spring was changed to see how fast it would shoot. And at 200' away it still ripped clean through a pop can using a .43g bb. Crazy FPS limits, make this no longer a safe and fun game, but game of violence.Well said. Ripping through a can at 200ft is crazy!
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Post by Twisted on Feb 7, 2014 9:32:52 GMT -5
Keeping in mind the safety concerns, what does 700fps actually buy you? With currently available hop methods (flat, r-hop) a well tuned AEG firing 450 fps can hit a man at 250 feet or more. What you gain from these ridiculous limits is minute compared to the risk of injury. I can just see some idiot 12 year old with a 700fps springer breaking someone's finger from 5 feet away.
I was thinking about trying this place out with my son, but those limits are simply not safe.
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Post by Ogre on Feb 7, 2014 11:04:33 GMT -5
Aren't there LEGAL limits on fps as well? I think I heard 600 is the max for Airsoft in Michigan? I'm not certain on that so don't quote me. Still 700 is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I don't care what wavier you have. 700 is pure safety negligence and won't stop anyone for sueing if they get hurt bad enough.
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Post by X on Feb 7, 2014 11:40:57 GMT -5
Dead horse is dead guys...
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Post by futureball on Feb 9, 2014 12:14:13 GMT -5
Look the reason we allow such high limits is because our fields are gigantic, and we have never had problems with it. If we notice someone abusing our rules just to cause pain and discomfort to others they will be warned once and then banned from the fields. Obviously there is going to be a large engagement distance for these types of guns. But we rarely see anything over 420. If it becomes an issue we will change the rules accordingly. But I've never seen someone bring such guns to the field so it will be addressed on a case to case basis. Just keep in mind some of our fields are the biggest around and if I'm not mistaken out largest field is approximately 20 acres.
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Post by futureball on Feb 9, 2014 12:33:51 GMT -5
I just want people to know that we are in no way trying to have people be hurt on our fields we just want to welcome the ideas of others. Any an all feedback will be taken into consideration. And like I said in my previous post no one has ever brought something like that out. Nor have I even seen a gun shoot that hard in person. I would be curious to see them if you do have them. I would like to run some tests at the store. Also we have a full month before we open so this is the time to figure out the bugs in the system and these were the original rules in place by myself and William Stacey (R.I.P.). Airsoft is a game and therefore should be treated as such. I apologize if our rules are too much, it's part of the reason I put us on here. No one ever gives us any feedback whatsoever so I appreciate your responses.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Feb 9, 2014 21:22:10 GMT -5
More F.P.S didn't necessarily mean more range. Just because fields are huge doesn't mean make the limits higher. I personally have never seen anyone with a gun that shoots that high, but I fell like if given the option someone will try for the wrong reasons.
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Post by X on Feb 10, 2014 7:29:45 GMT -5
You're going to lose more customers than you will gain by having these higher limits. You said yourself that you haven't seen someone bring a replica shooting that hot. Here you can obviously see that the majority of what's probably the largest airsoft organization in Michigan will not play with those limits. As a field owner I presume your two priorities are safety and your bottom line. These limits would negatively impact both.
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Post by Twisted on Feb 10, 2014 8:18:57 GMT -5
I appreciate your willingness as a business owner to open dialog with our community. From a player's perspective, I have personally bled too many times with the limits we have imposed on ourselves to risk playing at a field where the limits are so much higher. I am willing to deal with some pain to play, but risk of injury is out of the question.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 10, 2014 8:47:15 GMT -5
futureball, The biggest issue that most players have which always limits airsoft player turnout to your field is actually the required full face face mask rule. If you could work with your insurance provider to negotiate the use of lower FPS rules for airsoft such as what we use in this community you would greatly increase airsoft player attendance and possibly bring in airsoft game hosts again to host SCENARIO or MILSIM events at your field by doing this. This way airsoft players will feel more comfortable playing at your field with safer FPS rules that have been tested and used by this community for over a decade, and if you can also eliminate the required full paintball mask rule for airsoft as well I think you should see an increase in revenue as a result!
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Post by Ogre on Feb 10, 2014 9:29:46 GMT -5
futureball, The biggest issue that most players have which always limits airsoft player turnout to your field is actually the required full face face mask rule. If you could work with your insurance provider to negotiate the use of lower FPS rules for airsoft such as what we use in this community you would greatly increase airsoft player attendance and possibly bring in airsoft game hosts again to host SCENARIO or MILSIM events at your field by doing this. What Gunny said, face masks suck for aiming and most players don't like using them outside of a CQB setting. If your largest field is 20 acres you shouldn't require players to use facemasks while playing on those fields. Every Airsoft field manages to get by with the same rules and afford insurance so you should be able to negotiate with your insurance provider, or possibly switch if they refuse.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 10, 2014 10:04:32 GMT -5
Fixed that for you Ogre. Considering that we also play airsoft at several different paintball fields from Hell's Survivors in Pinckney, Action Paintball in Taylor, Hole in the Wall Paintball in Bangor, and previously Chaos Paintball which is now TC Paintball in Charlotte Michigan without having to use full paintball masks. Every Airsoft & Paintball field manages to get by with the same rules and afford insurance so you should be able to negotiate with your insurance provider, or possibly switch if they refuse.
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Post by Ogre on Feb 10, 2014 10:10:31 GMT -5
Fixed that for you Ogre. Considering that we also play airsoft at several different paintball fields from Hell's Survivors in Pinckney, Hole in the Wall Paintball in Bangor, and previously Chaos Paintball which is now TC Paintball in Charlotte Michigan without having to use full paintball masks. Every Airsoft & Paintball field manages to get by with the same rules and afford insurance so you should be able to negotiate with your insurance provider, or possibly switch if they refuse. Pretty much what I meant, speaking of which, can't wait until the summer. My brother in law was telling me some stories of when he was playing paintball back in the early 2000's at Hell's Survivors. I've never been but I want to go now for sure.
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