I'm so going to get flamed for this, but my WE G19 is a tank. It's built extremely well, it's very accurate, and I'm able to get 15 rounds off in 27 degree weather. That says something. I keep my mags well lubed, so I can't say how they handle to "misuse", but I've had zero problems with it, and it's definitely my go-to GBB.
15 rounds in 27 degree weather? That is pretty "meh" by today's standards. My NS2 HK45 got off around 1 and a 1/2 magazines (30+ rounds) in freezing weather. A new TM GBB will get off even more, varying on the model.
The biggest gripe I have had with WE is their gas efficiency. Their magazine designs suck. For me, when I want to use a GBB, I don't want to worry about being out of gas when I need to draw my sidearm, hence, for practicality's sake, don't go with a WE if you want something reliable in most weather conditions.
Unless you are some 1911 aficionado, skip it. The 1911 in airsoft form (Be it WE, TM, WA, KJW) is relatively inefficient, unreliable and overpriced. The magazine is too small to handle Michigan weather reliably.
Do you have a mass spectrometer to correctly identify the metals that are in your specific gun? Not to be mean or anything, but my we glock was a piece of garbage. The trigger bar bent, the outer barrel cracked and broke, the rails of the slide wore out, my hammer wore out before the sear (?), the screws stripped inside of the hop up unit, the magazine catch wore out which made gas efficiency suck, and the back of the blowback housing completely cracked and made the gun useless. I had the the version that was just released to the mass public, in january 2012. I heard we changed up the design for the build a bit afterwords, but I still will never trust their parts.
I replaced the magazine catch, outer barrel, and trigger bar with guarder steel replacements, and they were not drop ins and even with the parts it wasn't a good performer.
If you look up eluder's thread on airsoft canada for the tm glock 17, he has compared hkp3 and we glock parts to tokyo marui. Most of them have different dimensions and most upgrade / replacement parts are very hard to get to work in the clone of the tm.
FYI, when you work with aluminum and steel every day, you don't need a damn mass spectrometer to figure the shit out. It's pretty fucking easy.... Texture, whether it's ferrous or not; there a plenty of ways of determining the base metal without a mass spectrometer. Now, are you going to get the exact compound or alloy? No, but that's not the point.
Got it used from another user here on MIA. At first when I got it, the gas efficiency was pretty horrible in 60 degree weather, about 10 shots on a full magazine. I did the correct maintenance, polished the rails, added grease, and in my opinion the most important step, shim the magazine gasket, and it went up to about 25- 30. That was pretty good and I was fine with that. After taking it to cqb and using it a few rounds, my loading nozzle broke. The back part that acts as the spring guide just cracked off and the nozzle justs moves back and forth freely. Now the gun has issues with feeding but works somewhat decent. Yesterday I was firing it and the trigger would not pull back after a few shots. I had to manually reset it by pulling the trigger bar. I have yet to take a look at it, but I think something broke in the chassis because the gun still works fine when the trigger doesn't stick. It feels like something is blocking the trigger when this occurs. When it works, it works fine, so this leads me to believe that it has to be the chasis or frame, but I can hear something rattling around.
So what would I recommend? If you don't want mediocre performances and moments where you look at your gun and say what da F***, I wouldn't recomend kjw or we.
I am a member of a pistols only group forum and somebody else has had the same issue as well. The guy I bought it from said he didn't use it much at all and when I got the gun it looked like it, did not have any wear on the paint at all, but who knows.
Last Edit: Mar 13, 2013 20:00:22 GMT -5 by drewroud
Post by Da Vinci - Да Винчи on Mar 13, 2013 20:27:19 GMT -5
I can say absolutely stay away from WE 1911's. The gas efficiency was horrendous in my MEU (SOCOM Gear, but still OEM be WE), you had to "temper" the magazines just to get all shots fired and the slide to lock back. Fill it with gas until it's full, release it all with the valve (bad for the O-rings), then refill it again and wait for it to warm up, so the gas expands and gives you just enough to last a full 15 rounds. The build quality of it sucked, the accuracy was bad, I just didn't like it. I've always been a Glock fanboy, and when I got my Toyko Marui G17 back around November, and I've loved it.
I have a USPc with a snapped trigger sitting in my personal repairs bin, away from all my customers stuff. Tried taking down the trigger mech and just about threw the gun across the room. Been doin GBB tech for 5 years and have never come across something that was that big of a pain in the ass to try and take down.
I'll just throw this one out there, it isn't government issued, but it could have been if the Military Joint Combat Pistol program wasn't canceled. I love my KWA HK45, it has the most crisp slide action that I have shot thus far. My previous pistols that I've shot are the KSC M1911A, KWA 1911 Mark III PTP, and a WE 1911.
Like I said, the slide action is quick and crisp sounding. It shoots very accurate, at least comparing it to the previously mentioned pistols. It will go through an entire mag and then some.
I couldn't remember how many rounds a mag held, it looks to be 29, but while searching, I noticed that KWA no longer sells H&K. Further searching uncovered that KWA will no longer be distributing H&K thanks to Umarex. There was mentioned that Umarex or Elite Force would be distributing them under their name, and possibly KWA would still be making them, but I can't find evidence of that on either of their sites.
I'm seriously bummed to hear this, but I'm glad I got mine before this happened.
Post by steelfallenangel on Mar 15, 2013 3:44:23 GMT -5
If you want something issued but alittle different and a large capacity, you can always look to the Mark 23. Saw two of them for sale over in the ASF classified section.
Being a oddity I don't often see many articles on if the TM or KWA had any huge difference between the two (besides the TM being mostly plastic of course) but I think the threads had both for sale.
Ares G36 IDZ RIS, KWA RM4 Scout, KWA G17 (looking to sell/trade), KWA G19 (waiting on SAI slide), TM Kimber Custom Covert II, Star SL8 (classic grey), KWA KMP9R (looking to sell/trade), VFC Mk17 SRX, VFC M27 IAR, Maruzen/G&P Shell Ejecting Riot Shotgun, Bolt SOPMOD Block II, PTS Masada DMR, Noveske CQB M4 (looking to sell/trade), G&G UMP45 (looking to sell/trade)