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Post by lawless420 on Mar 8, 2013 18:42:50 GMT -5
My GF paid 1 of my bills and I don't plan on going out this weekend...so my pocket is a little full I have nothing else to say.
I'm in the market for a new GBB Pistol, I currently own a KWA 1911 MK IV and a Socom Gemtech Oasis.
I love my 1911, but I would like to roll with something more Hi-capacity. Something Government Issued, was looking at a KWA USP compact tactical or 226.
Wondering if guys can 'shoot' me some ideas, thank you
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Post by Knief on Mar 8, 2013 18:48:43 GMT -5
I think the biggest question is, what's your budget? In general, you have two types of options. You can get something relatively cheap like a KJW or WE (I wouldn't recommend a WE, but they're out there). These will generally put rounds down range pretty well, but look less than stellar and can have reliability issues (KJW's tend to be a bit sturdier, though you'll have to learn how to fix a leaky mag). Or, you can go with a higher price option like a TM or KSC. At that point, you're getting one of the better guns on the market. Not only do they shoot better, but they also look much better and typically last much longer than the lower priced competitors. KWA GBBs are something of a middle ground. They share designs with KSC, but they're quite a bit less reliable, owed to inferior quality control.
Were I in your shoes, I'd snag the TM P226 and not even look back. If that's too rich for your blood, your choice is between the KJW P226, which is one of KJW's better guns, and the KWA P226, which looks better than the KJW, but may not actually hold up much better in the long run. I don't know if the price difference between the two is worth it.
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Post by shadyair on Mar 8, 2013 20:20:22 GMT -5
The price difference isn't worth it honestly. Personally I prefer the externals of the KJW over the KWA anyway. If your budget is sub-$180, I would pick up a KJW P226 and a TM magazines for it. If your budget is higher I would take Kniefs suggestion and grab a TM P226. Stay away from the KWA USPc, the trigger is horrible.
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Post by Mles on Mar 8, 2013 23:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by Fugazi on Mar 9, 2013 4:33:00 GMT -5
Stay away from the KWA USPc, the trigger is horrible. Not sure if I'd take this to heart, mine was the all-around best functioning sidearm I've ever had, 1st gen for the record. If you can get your hands on a KSC or TM however, always go that route. The extra money you spend will overcompensate for the money you WON'T be spending on leaky mags, parts falling off, bad valves, etc. In my opinion, there is no worse headache than a broken GBB, so to me, it's worth it right there. There are a lot of guns to look and overlook. A KJW M9 for example is usually a decent purchase. A KJW 1911 however typically tends to be a nightmare. As for the guns you expressed interest in, I can recommend a KWA USP-C all day, as mine was an absolute champ when it came to gas consumption, blowback, accuracy, and all-around ergonomics. As far as the 226 department, I'm afraid I have 0 first-hand input.
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Post by Deacon on Mar 9, 2013 8:48:30 GMT -5
I'd reinforce Kneifs thought after having owned a KJW 229. The finish is pretty unrealistic on the KJW but the response from the trigger is crisp and the snap is extremely sharp. They tend to be tanks and mine was reliable until I sold it a couple years back. The accuracy on them tends to be pretty good as well.
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Post by shadyair on Mar 9, 2013 14:44:45 GMT -5
Stay away from the KWA USPc, the trigger is horrible. Not sure if I'd take this to heart, mine was the all-around best functioning sidearm I've ever had, 1st gen for the record. If you can get your hands on a KSC or TM however, always go that route. The extra money you spend will overcompensate for the money you WON'T be spending on leaky mags, parts falling off, bad valves, etc. In my opinion, there is no worse headache than a broken GBB, so to me, it's worth it right there. There are a lot of guns to look and overlook. A KJW M9 for example is usually a decent purchase. A KJW 1911 however typically tends to be a nightmare. As for the guns you expressed interest in, I can recommend a KWA USP-C all day, as mine was an absolute champ when it came to gas consumption, blowback, accuracy, and all-around ergonomics. As far as the 226 department, I'm afraid I have 0 first-hand input. Don't get me wrong, the NS1 USPs were awesome. The latest ones, the NS2, have a horrible tendency to snap the trigger. KJW's line of pistols, I haven't found a bad one yet. I love the 1911s as a budget sidearm, especially over WE.
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Post by Cam on Mar 9, 2013 21:46:46 GMT -5
I'm so going to get flamed for this, but my WE G19 is a tank. It's built extremely well, it's very accurate, and I'm able to get 15 rounds off in 27 degree weather. That says something. I keep my mags well lubed, so I can't say how they handle to "misuse", but I've had zero problems with it, and it's definitely my go-to GBB.
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Post by shadyair on Mar 9, 2013 23:24:04 GMT -5
WEs Glocks are their best models. If you're looking for a budget Glock, that's not a KJW G23, then the WE is your best bet. But beyond that, they're still WE. Good thing they're TM compatible.
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Post by Cam on Mar 9, 2013 23:26:47 GMT -5
My only gripe with it is the finish on the slide, but most budget GBB's don't have tenifer on the slide either...
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Post by drewroud on Mar 10, 2013 1:00:46 GMT -5
WEs Glocks are their best models. If you're looking for a budget Glock, that's not a KJW G23, then the WE is your best bet. But beyond that, they're still WE. Good thing they're TM compatible. Um no. I had a we glock 17 and it was horrible. They are made up of extremely weak alloys of pot metal. Tm parts are different specs from we so airflow internal parts do not work very well or at all with the we glock.
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Post by shadyair on Mar 10, 2013 11:46:35 GMT -5
Where did I say they were good? I said they are WEs best releases, given that WE is a horrible brand. I've worked on 3 or 4 WE glocks and haven't had any issues with fitment of TM or TM compatible parts.
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Post by Knief on Mar 10, 2013 12:57:25 GMT -5
Shady, when you say something like "The glock is WE's best gun" with no further qualifications, you give off the impression that the gun is objectively good, not just less crappy than whatever else they make. Be more careful with your words in the future to avoid confusion in the future.
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Post by Cam on Mar 10, 2013 23:19:21 GMT -5
Um no. I had a we glock 17 and it was horrible. They are made up of extremely weak alloys of pot metal. Tm parts are different specs from we so airflow internal parts do not work very well or at all with the we glock. How old was it? Mine is the newer late-2012 version, and the only pot metal on it is the slide, and outer barrel. Which pot metal doesn't really matter on either of those parts, considering they're plastic on TM's, and many other GBB's. All of my internals are either aluminum, or steel. I've got it stripped down right in front of me, and that's all I'm seeing...
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Post by drewroud on Mar 11, 2013 17:12:19 GMT -5
Do you have a mass spectrometer to correctly identify the metals that are in your specific gun? Not to be mean or anything, but my we glock was a piece of garbage. The trigger bar bent, the outer barrel cracked and broke, the rails of the slide wore out, my hammer wore out before the sear (?), the screws stripped inside of the hop up unit, the magazine catch wore out which made gas efficiency suck, and the back of the blowback housing completely cracked and made the gun useless. I had the the version that was just released to the mass public, in january 2012. I heard we changed up the design for the build a bit afterwords, but I still will never trust their parts.
I replaced the magazine catch, outer barrel, and trigger bar with guarder steel replacements, and they were not drop ins and even with the parts it wasn't a good performer.
If you look up eluder's thread on airsoft canada for the tm glock 17, he has compared hkp3 and we glock parts to tokyo marui. Most of them have different dimensions and most upgrade / replacement parts are very hard to get to work in the clone of the tm.
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