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Post by SamRI on Feb 4, 2013 0:50:31 GMT -5
This is a serious thread so I want honest constructive feedback please.
I've created an adapter that will allow my AUG A3 to accept any stanag mags with no problem and without actually modifying the gun itself.
My next project is creating a way to feed bb's from an m249 auto winding box mag into the AUG.
So I'm just wondering how other experienced airsofters would feel about its use in an outdoor rec or milsim game. The AUG isn't traditionally designed as a support weapon and one doesn't exist (in real life) that can accept stanag mags. But since its Airsoft and it's supposed to be fun I feel like a mod like this shouldn't really receive flak at an event.
What do others think about it?
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Post by Zorak on Feb 4, 2013 1:04:07 GMT -5
At a rec game people might not care, but mil sim is just that: sim. Replicas of weapons that don't exist in real life are not encouraged.
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Post by Impulse on Feb 4, 2013 1:52:18 GMT -5
It does exist, there are two variants of the AUG as a support weapon: the AUG HBAR (featured in some CoD games, firing from closed bolt with a heavy barrel) and the AUG LMG (with heavy barrel and open bolt firing). Both have a 621mm barrel, bipod, and the most common high-capacity magazine type appears to be either an extended standard magazine or a dual-drum type.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 4, 2013 9:26:44 GMT -5
Yeah good luck finding it in stock, but in order to convert your AUG into any sort of acceptable support weapon you will need the Hexagon Product Aug H-BAR outer barrel.
Gunnerairsoft used to carry them. But you will have to do some searching to find it in stock.
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Post by Shadow (314) on Feb 4, 2013 10:05:25 GMT -5
My two cents would be: If it exists in real life, then by all means, please make it happen in airsoft.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 4, 2013 10:53:16 GMT -5
What isn't available in airsoft to make a 100% accurate Aug H-BAR is an extended Aug magazine. Also in order have what's considered an accurate Aug H-Bar replica would be to use an Aug A1 (integrated scope) upper receiver, and not an A3 railed upper receiver.
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Post by SamRI on Feb 4, 2013 11:50:33 GMT -5
Why couldn't one just use an extended mag or drum mag concept on an A3 rail system? Seems to me it's the same gun just aesthetically different.
That aside my concept is to run a feed tube into the magwell and have the box mag sitting in a pouch. Using an imagination I'd consider the feed tube to be equivalent to a belt of bullets feeding into the gun though you'd never be able to make it look aesthetically real. But really, even our milsims aren't that 1:1 realistic so I feel like its close enough to be acceptable. I'll try to bring it out this season and see if anyone complains I guess
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 4, 2013 12:39:29 GMT -5
Why couldn't one just use an extended mag or drum mag concept on an A3 rail system? Seems to me it's the same gun just aesthetically different. At a rec game people might not care, but mil sim is just that: sim. Replicas of weapons that don't exist in real life are not encouraged. You're free to do whatever you would like, however like Zorak said if you build it as your primary weapon and don't have any others as a back up to use, you may find yourself ineligible to use it with any sort of "box magazine" at a MILSIM event since it's up to the event organizer's discretion. Rec games it doesn't really matter on the other hand. In most cases many event hosts only allow support weapon variants of assault rifles if they are 100% accurate to their real steel support weapon variants. This is just going off of past experiences but I have witnessed someone not allowed to use their MG36 variant of a G36 to be used at a MILSIM event because the they didn't have the right "E" length handguard and outer barrel with integrated bi-pod and accurate dual optic integrated scope. Also being an event host myself, I tend to be firm on only allowing fully accurate representations of real LMG variants of assault weapons, since its only fair to those that spend their time and money to actually research what it takes to make an accurate LMG variant of an assault weapon simply because not everyone is willing to do it. And IMHO I would be pretty upset if I went through the time and effort to build an accurate LMG (which I personally have in the past) only to see someone else not do it but be allowed to use a box mag on an unrealistic LMG variant.
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Post by Zorak on Feb 4, 2013 13:25:00 GMT -5
There's also a gameplay issue. Support weapons can make maneuver extremely difficult. Ten years ago, a support weapon generally weighed about 2x what a typical AEG weighed and they were expensive. Those concerns meant you rarely had more than one support weapon per 10-15 players. If it turns into one support weapon per 5 players, you may as well dig trenches. It may one day be necessary to register players with support weapons separately to cap their number, but for the moment, it makes sense to limit box mags to weapons designed for belt feed and with quick-change barrels.
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Post by Shadow (314) on Feb 4, 2013 13:35:54 GMT -5
A lot of really great milsims already do a role registration like that. Only x amount of support gunner for a squad of y players. Then, each role of player is only allowed to carry these platforms and can't carry others. I like it because it really makes strategizing and resource management a big deal.
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Post by Knief on Feb 4, 2013 13:41:20 GMT -5
You wouldn't be able to use that at a Hellfish event. At our milsim games, an M249 nut sack hanging off an Aug A3 is as far from realistic as is gets. At a rec game, it's just not any fun for people who aren't you for the reasons listed above. If you want to carry 20 times more ammo than other players on the field, your penalty for doing so is investing the time and money into building an accurate support weapon or slinging the massive weight of a pre-built one.
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Post by SamRI on Feb 4, 2013 17:34:53 GMT -5
Thank you knief for your constructive comment. It really moved the conversation forward...
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Post by Knief on Feb 4, 2013 17:39:15 GMT -5
You asked if you could use it at games, I'm telling you whether or not you could use them at the games that I run and explaining why. If you don't like that, don't come to our games, but don't get whiny because you don't like the answer to the question you asked.
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Post by X on Feb 4, 2013 19:57:37 GMT -5
Seems to me it's the same gun just aesthetically different. Every gun based on the Tokyo Marui gearbox is "the same gun just aesthetically different". For milsim you have to at least try to simulate the military. If any gun is significantly mutated from the real version it shouldn't be allowed. You mentioned that our guns are not 1:1, that's true, but they are close enough. Excluding 4 obvious clues 1. Silencer 2. Zip tie 3. Sling mount 4. KWA logo could you tell which one is real? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by Deacon on Feb 4, 2013 20:01:25 GMT -5
Bottom one!
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