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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Jul 25, 2012 23:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by bobbunny on Jul 26, 2012 2:10:54 GMT -5
Probably going to go with the M14. I'm thinking about a used CYMA one, and then jacking it up in the long run (Although I want to get my M4 up to date first). Anything in particular I should replace in the gearbox? Probably going to slap an M150, but no idea what else I need.
"Just make sure it correspond with your cylinder." Clarify please?
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Post by specks159 on Jul 26, 2012 2:14:40 GMT -5
Super-long barrels plus super-effective hop-ups also can mean bbs bouncing in the barrel before they exit, making the system ineffective at any range. This^ The "ideal" AEG barrel length is around 455mm. You can use a 509 or so without a problem either. If you're trying to lift very heavy rounds then a longer barrel is sometimes needed since the heavy rounds are slower to accelerate. Guns with very long barrels are also a bit of a pain to handle if you're going to be doing any kind of rapid movement. Sitting and picking off targets from long range won't be an issue, but if you plan on playing as a true DM and running with your squad, carrying a 5ft long stick the whole time can get a bit annoying. Bullpup guns like the AUG, L85, F2000, etc. will help cut down the length some, but for the most part those über long barrel lengths are simply not needed in the first place.
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Post by bobbunny on Jul 26, 2012 3:12:03 GMT -5
I was more into - Hanging back and support the squad in the way of picking off others, chilling in tactical positions in a sort of an overwatch, and possibly doing a little scouting.
Never liked the look of most of the bull pup guns (Tavor Tar-21 is the sole exception, but I like rails.) anyway, but thanks for the info.
E-Dit: There is a hand guard rail for the Tavor, but it costs 60 bucks (Real Steel, and currently the only one I've found). I'm on the edge with either an M14, or the Tavor. Personal preference towards the Tavor, but besides the 60 bucks for a rail, I know that the gearbox itself is very unique. Not that upgrades are a terrible problem, but I don't think I would be able to jack it up to 500.
E-Dit 2: Turns out, there are decent quality barrel mounted ones. I might actually go for a Tavor, and it can be a legit platform for a DMR! Is it possible to extend an outer barrel, and still be able to put on a flash hinder?Yes there is, Helleloujah Amen. Might look a little stupid, but I think it would look better than than the foot long can on a P90.
Question still kinda stands, what do I need to replace inside?
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Post by ThompsonFTW on Jul 26, 2012 7:53:47 GMT -5
Probably going to go with the M14. I'm thinking about a used CYMA one, and then jacking it up in the long run (Although I want to get my M4 up to date first). Anything in particular I should replace in the gearbox? Probably going to slap an M150, but no idea what else I need. "Just make sure it correspond with your cylinder." Clarify please? I meant that for a m14 the cylinder is matched to it'd barrel length. If you were to extend it you would need a bore up cylinder. Of you were to shorten it you would need a ported. As to what you like need to change... well I know Alex on airoftsociety (great tech) built one but I couldn't find a list of what he replaced in his tavor. The best bet would be for you to get it and decide what you think of the parts.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jul 26, 2012 8:11:13 GMT -5
The biggest issue with the Tavor is the lack of a really solid airsoft version.
The Ares Tavor, from all the reports I've seen, isn't particularly spectacular out of the box and seems to require a lot of tweaking to get it to function correctly.
The S&T Tavor, which I believe is a copy of the Ares, has the same issues as the Ares, but with a cheaper body and internal components.
Don't take my word for it though, read some of the reviews that actually break the Tavor down into its components.
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Post by bobbunny on Jul 26, 2012 8:35:16 GMT -5
Yeah, that was kind of the main thing that came up. I mean, 3 personal choices were a Tavor, M14, or an FAL. Both are somewhat in the price range, but the Tavor has the most adaptability, plus it's awesome. Other ideas were an SVD and a VSR-10 clone.
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Post by specks159 on Jul 26, 2012 10:21:27 GMT -5
None of the tavor replicas are stellar. Don't let that stop you from getting one, just know that they're a pain to work on before you get into it. If you get any of them, get the ares. The S&T comes with everything wrong with the ares plus more. As for modifications, the very first thing you should do is buy some good, heavy bb's. Next get a tbb and rhop it. Then, go into your gearbox and make sure your compression is perfect. Consistency and accuracy are much more important than going immediately for high fps. While your gearbox is open to fix the compression, cprrect the AOE, shim the gears, amd refrease the gearbox. Once you have the compression fixed and your hop and barrel system is good, now you can think about upping the fps. Find out what spring you will use. Figure out which parts will need replacing in order to do this. I do not know the quality of ares internals so I can't tell you which ones to replace. Just know you may have to modify the parts and tune them to fit in the ares gb. I would highly suggest a MOSFET and a lipo to provide enough power to the motor. Not an AB MOSFET! They do not work well with microswitches, which is what the ares gb uses. DMRs are all about tuning, tuning, and more tuning.
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Post by Gunny87 on Jul 26, 2012 10:59:53 GMT -5
Yeah a 509mm length inner barrel should be the absolute longest barrel that you should really use. I had upgraded Augs that used a 550mm and 650mm inner barrel, and I seemed to get almost identical performance out of a Prommy 509mm 6.03mm EG inner barrel.
So as already pointed out anything longer than 509mm is unnecessary.
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Post by X on Jul 26, 2012 15:57:53 GMT -5
Evidence? So far I have seen nothing to back this claim. Please also define "super effective". Sent from my DROID RAZR using ProBoards
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Post by specks159 on Jul 26, 2012 22:58:50 GMT -5
There really is no hard "evidence" as to why 455 is the sweet spot for AEG barrels. It's somethig that's been observed by quite a few people, but there isn't any hard data from any subjective test. As far as I know, nobody has actually set out to prove it one way or the other yet.
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Post by bobbunny on Jul 27, 2012 0:21:07 GMT -5
I've found multiple lengths in barrel length from various reviews. For the longer barrel Tavor, anyone know how long it is? Derp Found it.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 27, 2012 15:21:44 GMT -5
Now, I'm no expert, or for that matter tech savy, on what it takes to make a DMR, but have you considered a G3? I believe you could make a sexy DMR out of that.
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Post by bobbunny on Jul 28, 2012 23:23:17 GMT -5
Eh, considered, but I always had the gut sense of "Don't do G3's!". Always been more partial to FALs.
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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Aug 1, 2012 0:43:22 GMT -5
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