G&G Combat Machine M4 Raider VS Echo1 Stag 15 M4

[Ogre]

So I've owned a Echo1 Stag-15 for awhile. Not exactly happy with the performance so I've been thinking about selling it, buying an extended TBB (Madbull 407mm 6.03) same one I have in my Echo1. I've been hearing mixed responses on if I should keep my M4 or switch to a G&G. People have been telling me they can be a hit or miss, (although, G&G is known for making damn good guns) and I'm not sure what to believe, or if its even worth switching over to.

Somethings that I am concerned about if I switch over to G&G

JG mag compatibly: I have 7 JG 300 round high caps and am worried that they won't feed as well into a G&G as well as an Echo1 would and I don't feel like shelling out more money for Mags. Also will my Drum Mag work with this gun?

Barrel/RIS Wobble: One of my major complaints with my Echo1, the RIS won't clip in and will just spin. I know with G&G this won't be a problem since the RIS Is attached to the upper receiver, I'm concerned on how that's is going to effect switching out barrels, if it will at all.

Terminal Range: Most G&Gs are around 350 FPS. Most Echo1s Chrono around 390-400. How is the low FPS going to effect Terminal range.

Hop-Up: How are G&G Hop-Ups compared to Echo1 Hop-Ups?

Range: Stock Range on both are about 150ft, with my extened TBB barrel I can make shots accurately out to 200ft, inarticulately out to about 250ft. How is the reduced FPS and Terminal Range going to effect this.

BB Weight: Do to variables such as lower FPS and the hop up what BB weight should I use? Will my Matrix .25s be too heavy now?

Reliability: How will the internals hold up compared to the Echo1? How much abuse can the gun take before something breaks.

ROF: How does ROF with a 9.6v1600mah battery hold up to the ROF on the Echo1 running the same battery?

Crane Stock VS Full Stock: How will the Crane Stock hold up to the full stock. Will It break easier? How is the quality compared to the full stock on a Echo1?

These are all questions I need answers to before I make my purchase.

[Alex-(BM_5)]

The G&G will be better on all fronts.

[Ogre]

Jul 11, 2012 12:18:42 GMT -5 Alex-(BM_5) said:

The G&G will be better on all fronts.

Even if it is, still not answering the mag compatibly question. Or what my reduced range would be with the lower FPS taken into account.

[Alex-(BM_5)]

As you should know by now fps has very little play in the range factor, while you may lose some fps the loss in range shouldn't be all that bad with the hop up being better in a G&G. Mag's should work with it but you won't know until you try, If they don't there are always simple mods to make them work.

[Ogre]

Jul 11, 2012 12:27:58 GMT -5 Alex-(BM_5) said:

As you should know by now fps has very little play in the range factor, while you may lose some fps the loss in range shouldn't be all that bad with the hop up being better in a G&G. Mag's should work with it but you won't know until you try, If they don't there are always simple mods to make them work.

Now I just have to wait until my next paycheck...... :/

[Gimpalong]

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

JG mag compatibly: I have 7 JG 300 round high caps and am worried that they won't feed as well into a G&G as well as an Echo1 would and I don't feel like shelling out more money for Mags. Also will my Drum Mag work with this gun?

Generally, high-capacity magazines feed pretty well in whatever you toss them into. I would suggest, however, if you want to be more "milsim" that you pick up some mid-caps. They are inexpensive and readily available, and you won't sound like an enormous rattle every time you move across the field.

Drum mags are, in my opinion, a bit lame. Good to go for a SAW, but for a regular AEG a drum magazine just screams "newb!"

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

Terminal Range: Most G&Gs are around 350 FPS. Most Echo1s Chrono around 390-400. How is the low FPS going to effect Terminal range.

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

Hop-Up: How are G&G Hop-Ups compared to Echo1 Hop-Ups?

The CM hop-up isn't going to be much better than the Echo 1, frankly. The unit itself will likely be fine. Most M4-style, multi-gear hop-up units have a tendency to unwind, but that's inherent in the design. There are a few mods you can apply to get the most out of an M4 style hop-up unit. The most important thing to replace is probably going to be the bucking and nub. I typically use Guarder nubs and buckings, but it is also important to experiment with different buckings and nubs to find the brand/type that work best for your individual rifle. What may work for someone else really well might not work best for you, that's why experimentation is important.

Overall, the stock CM hop-up unit will probably be ok, and if you're not satisfied you can always try a different bucking/nub combo.

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

Range: Stock Range on both are about 150ft, with my extened TBB barrel I can make shots accurately out to 200ft, inarticulately out to about 250ft. How is the reduced FPS and Terminal Range going to effect this.

Range isn't just a product of FPS, hop-up plays an important role. High FPS generally means that the bb arrives at its target faster, but doesn't guarantee more range. Low FPS doesn't necessarily mean low range. A difference in FPS of 50 or even 100 FPS isn't going to be a huge a factor. Again, your hop-up unit, bucking and nub combo are more important than your overall FPS.

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

BB Weight: Do to variables such as lower FPS and the hop up what BB weight should I use? Will my Matrix .25s be too heavy now?

In general, .25s are sufficient for any AEG. Even if you're firing at <300 FPS, .25s should work fine. I shoot .25s, and .30s out of my rifle and I chrono around 360 FPS with my P*, but I still use .25s in my MP7 even though it chronos <300.

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

Reliability: How will the internals hold up compared to the Echo1? How much abuse can the gun take before something breaks.

CMs are reported to be pretty reliable. All AEGs will break at some point. When I buy a new AEG, I just run it internally stock until something breaks and then do whatever upgrades I want. Think of your AEG breaking as an opportunity to put in new parts that will enhance performance rather than a bummer.

Jul 11, 2012 12:15:20 GMT -5 Ogre said:

Crane Stock VS Full Stock: How will the Crane Stock hold up to the full stock. Will It break easier? How is the quality compared to the full stock on a Echo1?

I think most people prefer crane stocks over solid stocks simply because they are more adjustable. A crane stock should be just as durable as a solid stock. Crane stocks usually take a distinct style of battery, which can be a bit more expensive than the typically large type that fits into a solid stock. If you only have 9.6v large type batteries that work in your Echo 1's solid stock, you might consider getting a CM with a solid stock so you don't have to get a different battery type. You shouldn't let your batteries hold you back, however, as batteries are relatively inexpensive. Buy the type of rifle you want to have, not the type of rifle that your equipment dictates.


Given that you've been running a relatively low-end rifle (Echo 1, Stag Arms, whatever), you might consider bumping up to something a bit more high-end than a CM. If you're going from an Echo 1 to a CM you're pretty much staying inside the same price bracket and you're not really getting anything all that different. I know it's hard to hear, but you might want to consider saving up a few paychecks and putting the money into a solid, "pro-line" AEG from Classic Army, G&G, G&P, KWA, KA, etc.

[cometdude2]

I Love my CM although I cant compare with the echo 1. The only problems I have had are Battery life and range (for a field setup). Due to the crain stock the stock battery lasts about 4 hours. The stock range on the gun is around 150 feet. At that range you can hit someone with a burst. So in conclusion if you went with the CM I would pick up a nicer battery and a Mad Bull black python 6.03 tight bore. With these upgrades to mine Cm I have an effective range of around 200 feet, longer battery life, and a higher rof. Hope this helps.

[Knief]

cometdude,

This thread hasn't been posted on since early July. In general, if a thread has been dead for more than 2 weeks, don't respond to it unless you have something absolutely earth shattering to add.

[cometdude2]

Ok sorry