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Post by outlaw25 on Mar 22, 2012 15:14:03 GMT -5
Hello, guys, as you know, this has all of my guns and gear as of 3/22/12. Feel free to laugh at my pitiful things Lets start with my primary weapon: WELL R17 M4 next gun: Custom cammo spring rifle Tactical vest: TAG crossdraw Group Photo:
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Post by outlaw25 on Mar 22, 2012 19:13:56 GMT -5
UPDATE:
List of stuff that I own: 1. Well r17 m4 AEG mpeg 2. 3x dboys Vietnam style magazines. 3. Shooter's edge TRD 1x22 red dot scope 4. Crosman springer pistol 5. 2x spare pistol mags 6. Random speed loader 7. Motorola 2-mile radius radio 8. A zippo lighter that has been dried and had the wick destroyed
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Post by outlaw25 on Mar 25, 2012 21:28:36 GMT -5
Update: I have made a few changes: 1. I have received a dump pouch ( thank god!) 2. Got ridof the belt.
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Post by Dev on Mar 26, 2012 5:11:17 GMT -5
I don't mean to be a dick here but if I had a suggestion for you it would be to get rid of ALL that gear and actually save for some gear worth having. Absolutely all that gear is bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the line stuff.
-Dan
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Post by a1 (Babez) on Mar 26, 2012 19:39:43 GMT -5
I don't mean to be a dick here but if I had a suggestion for you it would be to get rid of ALL that gear and actually save for some gear worth having. Absolutely all that gear is bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the line stuff. -Dan The vest looks functional enough, but I agree, needs to go. You could also consider investing in a more substantial AEG, too. Also, bumping is only for the Commerce section.
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Post by Crapshoot on Mar 26, 2012 19:50:50 GMT -5
The only good thing is that the vest is TAG.
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Post by Knief on Mar 26, 2012 20:23:06 GMT -5
The only good thing is that the vest is TAG. Which is completely negated by being a crossdraw, one of the more worthless designs on the market.
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Post by Crapshoot on Mar 26, 2012 20:38:54 GMT -5
Some company should come out with a crossdraw that uses a hard holster, like a Safariland or a Serpa.
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Post by Knief on Mar 27, 2012 7:46:10 GMT -5
That doesn't help the biggest design flaw, the holster on your weak side chest. That's prime real estate for extra mags, something which you need to grab quickly and with your weak side hand. Instead, those are tucked under your strong side arm where you have to reach across your gear and under your gun to retrieve them. Your pistol, which you need to use far less often and access with your strong side arm, is on your weak side. To draw it, you need to reach across or under your rifle. It's less than idea for both items.
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Post by outlaw25 on Apr 4, 2012 23:53:51 GMT -5
You are forgeting one thing kneif. 9 times out of ten your left hand will already be on your strong side, so grabing mags from below the gun is actually easier than reaching from the gun to your weak side. Plus having the pistol on the weak side is fine because, like you said, you aren't going to use your pistol nearly as much.
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Post by Tank on Apr 5, 2012 0:06:44 GMT -5
I still have to strongly agree with wasted space. Prime real estate for mags. In a quick CQB game maybe it's ok. But in a longer game, the more mags the better.
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Post by snafu on Apr 5, 2012 8:35:02 GMT -5
I've always grabbed from the left side first.. Arguing with knief about gear will basically get you nowhere. Look around the web, you won't see any real world operators using a cross draw. If its a cost issue a basic chest rig will still out perform a cross draw any day of the week.
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Post by alexbuechel on Apr 5, 2012 9:26:54 GMT -5
You are forgetting one thing kneif. 9 times out of ten your left hand will already be on your strong side, so garbing mags from below the gun is actually easier than reaching from the gun to your weak side. Plus having the pistol on the weak side is fine because, like you said, you aren't going to use your pistol nearly as much. I complete disagree. It's not about how often you will actually need your pistol. It's about how fast you can count on it when you do need it. Changing from gun to pistol has and always will be faster. If they are in the right place. Should you find yourself in a situation where reloading is too slow that cross draw will be the difference between you having a chance or just dying. I know it's a game but if you are trying to play a game realistically this cross draw is just simply inefficient. Yes, your hand is over by your strong side. No, its not right by the mags. When you pull a new mag keep in mind that you have to do it fast, however shortest distance can also be a bad thing as it makes rotating it difficult. It also makes it harder to see the mag when you are putting it in. If you watch videos on tactical reloading you'll notice that they say to keep your left mags for last as they are your best. The reason being that you can maintain field of view and eyes on target while the mag and gun will be in your peripheral when you simply tilt the gun away from you. You can see it feed correctly and snap home. Also you will easily be able to rotate back on target once you are certain the new mag is in. Now lets consider a dump pouch. Let say you don't want to keep buying magazines. Your dump pouch goes where on this? Usually it on your back or side to back. If you put it on your left side, you will have to reach up to the gun, take the mag out, reach across your whole body to dump it. Now you reach all the way across again to get the mag, look down just so you can see what you are doing when you put it in. Or raise your gun. Even worse. Lets say you think, well the mags are on my right so I'll put the dump on that side. I don't know how flexible you are but I sure as hell cant reach the back of my right side with my left hand while wearing gear and holding a gun. Forget doing it fast. Remember that in the real world people don't have 130 shots. Things are designed a certain way for a reason. Also things are at a certain cost for a reason too. You can pickup a cross draw at meijer or dicks store. It's not a military vest or option at all. Unless you are left handed this vest in not ideal. Also you are only able to carry two/four mags.
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Post by Knief on Apr 5, 2012 9:49:10 GMT -5
Nah, if you're a lefty your primary mag problem is solved, but good luck drawing that pistol with your dominant hand. I suppose if you shoot your rifle left handed and your pistol right handed, you're in business...
Outlaw, we're not just waxing philisophical on this to try to make your gear look worse than it is. We're merely regurgitating information that we've absorbed from shooters who have developed these methods to save their lives. No opetator worth his salt is going to put his best lifeline farther away from the hand that manipulates it than he has to. Primary mags go on your weak side to dead center if your goal is to maximize speed and minimize fumbling. They go anywhere else if you want to get shot holding an empty gun.
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Post by outlaw25 on Apr 5, 2012 13:15:20 GMT -5
I have just came up with a way to make a crossdraw a more efficient vest, and I may do it myself.
My crossdraw, as I have found out, has the holster removable. Underneath it there is a large patch of Velcro. What you could probably do is get a double mag pouch, like your standard MOLLE, a sew some Velcro on the back of it, and put it where the holster is. Problem solved. You can get a drop leg or belt loop holster for your pistol, and you have not only a more efficient crossdraw, but you can now hold more mags.
Oh, and just a note, kneif, the standard crossdraw has 4 rifle pouches that allow for you to hold 2 mags per pouch. do the math.
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