fiach
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Post by fiach on May 26, 2011 20:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by Thor on May 26, 2011 21:11:50 GMT -5
Different rail covers, different light, vertical grip, PEQ box with visible laser.
Not too crazy about that rail anyway, but I'm pretty particular in that area.
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Post by Knief on May 26, 2011 21:19:19 GMT -5
I'm going to break this down into two parts. Things you could put on your gun that would be functional, and things you could put on your gun to make it look good. Let's talk function, it's real simple. Some sort of vertical foregrip will help you acquire targets more quickly and maintain a stronger grip on your gun. That right there will improve your ability to shoot the things you're trying to shoot. Then, you've got a light already, but how bright is it? If the answer is "not bright enough to temporarily blind anybody who looks at it," then you a brighter light. You can pick up a surefire G2 for like, $40 and a 30mm scope ring for a few dollars and slap that bad boy on your gun. Assuming you have a light already because it's useful to you, a brighter light will be much better. Remember, a light on your gun isn't used for lighting your path. It's used as an extension of the weapon. If your opponent has been sitting in darkness for a few minutes, and then you flash him with a light that produces the fury of 1000 Suns, you can shoot him 10 times over while he whimpers in the corner about his burned corneas. And that concludes the section on functionality. Launches are mostly a waste of money and weight, lasers don't work and are dangerous if they do, and everything else is all about looks. So, let's move on to looks. You're hurting in the looks department. What you've gone and done is, you've put some accessories on your gun that would never exist on a real gun. The first is, a foldable stock, which is impossible. A real AR cycles its bolt through the buffer tube, so bending the buffer tube right at the back of the receiver means your gun can't cycle. That's why even stock-less ARs have that goofy looking buffer tube sticking out the back. The second is the rail system itself. That one's not an impossibility, like the stock, just something that would serve no purpose on a real gun. A real gun doesn't need to hold a battery, and adding extra bulk onto a real gun is pretty much the last thing that anybody who designs or builds them tries to do. So that big, bulky, battery holdin' rail system you've got just doesn't make any sense. I know you got it to hold your battery, but there are so many other options that work just as well and look infinitely better. So here's what I would do, assuming you want to keep your impossibility stock. I'd buy a rail like this: www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_37&products_id=4593It snaps right in. Then, I'd buy a PEQ 15 that holds a lipo, two lipos that fit in a PEQ 15, and a lipo charger. Then, you get a rail system that looks right, but also a PEQ 15 that also looks awesome. Or, if you don't like the lipo route, a PEQ 2 will hold a mini NiMh battery. Both options essentially bolt right on to your gun, because it's already wired to the front. You just run your wires through one of the holds in the RIS and up into the PEQ. If you don't like those battery storage options, you even have one more. You've already got a readi-mag. They make batteries that fit into hollowed out M4 mags that you then keep in the readi-mag. The wires run through the bolt catch and pretty much straight to the gearbox. It'll require you to re-route the wires, but you shouldn't need to buy a new wire set or anything. Just split open the receiver, pop out the bolt catch and feed the wires through that. You might have to make a cut out in the readi-mag, that I'm not sure of. But its not too tough. The flashlight you're using also isn't something you'd see much in the real world, but there are many solid replicas of the real stuff available. I'm not the best person to direct you toward those as I haven't done my homework on them in a long long time, but I'm sure somebody will oblige. I'd still throw on a vertical foregrip for the aforementioned reasons. They're just practical, and they look good. From there, the sky is the limit. Yes, all of those are airsoft guns and all of them are or were owned by members of this forum.
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Post by Dahm on May 26, 2011 22:08:49 GMT -5
I'll just list the improvements I would make in whole to the gun, and you can abide as you see fit:
- PEQ15 w/ visible laser - TD vert grip - Ditch the cheap flashlight, get an Insight M6X replica or Surefire X300 replica (hell, a real one is good too) - Replace the rails with a set of real or replica KAC 7" rails - Ditch the UTG railcovers for some nicer Tangodown or Magpul railcovers - Ditch the goofy optics riser - Replace derpy optic with a replica ACOG/EOtech/Aimpoint T1 - Replace pistol grip with Magpul MIAD grip - Get a Magpul MBUS rear flip up iron sight - Replace derpy buffer tube with standard buffer tube for collapsible stock - Replace stock with Magpul CTR
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fiach
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Post by fiach on May 27, 2011 11:08:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the input. Regarding the flashlight, that was only put on because the Inforce Four Force 9VX Tac will not fit into that ring set (I think I have to hone the sleeve to get it to fit). I was thinking of the Magpul AFG because I don't care for the standard vertical ones. About the stock, well that come on the gun stock and I never use the folding feature so it can just stay as-is. Thanks for the input....oh, and Dahm, what the hell is "derpy"? It's not even a word! I thought the administrators were big on spelling and puncutation, or is that only for their non-members?
Thanks again fellas, have a good one!
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Clampitt
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Post by Clampitt on May 27, 2011 12:59:47 GMT -5
Most of what's been said it's pretty much what I think. I just want to make mention that a folding buttstock on an AR is no impossible, and in fact, is already a production rifle that works. Para Ordanance released the TTR a while back, and one of the big features on it is a folding buttstock. cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/rifle-300clarge.jpgBut honestly, drop weight where you can. Light weight, durable grip, lightweight flashlight, a simple optic. That right there will serve you well for external accessories. Everything else is really looks like Knief said.
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fiach
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Post by fiach on May 27, 2011 13:18:01 GMT -5
Clampitt, thanks for the tips. The P.O. TTR is awesome as hell with the folding stock! Knief may not have been up-to-date with his information, or have never had the opportunity to see the P.O. yet.
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Post by Avenir on May 27, 2011 13:26:30 GMT -5
Function over form. Always.
I feel like a lot of people here piss all over peoples' replicas due to their own personal tastes. That being said, constructive criticism should be welcomed. The "the whole thing sucks, I don't like it" mentality isn't helping anyone.
Depending on what you're using the weapon for, you should plan for that. Is it going to be used for CQB or field use?
I'd say for starters, if you have real use for the flashlight, go with a Surefire (real if possible). They're very bright, usually have rubberized housings and can take a serious beating. I dropped one 30 feet down a cliff overseas, bouncing off rocks the whole way only to have it work like nothing happened.
Knief did a good job explaining things for the most part. If the gearbox can handle lipo, think about getting a PEQ that will fit it.
A folding verticle grip or on of those retractable bi-pod verticle grips would look nice if you plan on using that sort-of thing. Ultimately, its what you plan on using the gun for that will determine what you run on it.
Regarding Clampitt's comment about dropping weight. Dropping weight is important, but make sure you don't sacrifice when doing so.
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Post by Knief on May 27, 2011 14:15:19 GMT -5
Nope, rules are the same for everybody and a number of my teammates do indeed have warnings. "Derpy," is just one of those rare words that, even though it doesn't appear in the dictionary, it comes with an intuitive meaning (somewhere in between goofy, nerdy and stupid). That makes it the kind of thing we let slide because it's not just lazy short hand (like "u" as a word), nor is it some stupid meme ("OMGWTFBBQ" comes to mind). It actually fills a niche that English leaves blank[ish]. If Dahm had called your gun "lulzy," he would have earned himself our scorn.
As for your gun, you might want to think twive about the AFG. It's really designed to be used with a longer rail than what you have. It works by straightening your weak-side arm out all the way, forcing you into a stable grip. If you mount it on your gun, it won't do that unless you have tiny tiny arms. Assuming that's not the case, you'll be be bending your weak-side arm, which defeats the purpose of the AFG entirely. There are a ton of other vertical foregrip options available, though. Surely something that'll work better with your set up looks good to you.
I still maintain that you should switch rail systems and use a different method for your battery storage needs. It will look so so much better than the bulky rails you have on. More than anything else, it will improve the look of your replica.
Re: the buffer tube-less AR, that's pretty sweet. I'm no gunsmith, but wouldn't that necessitate a complete redesign of the bolt mechanism/everything in the upper?
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Post by Clampitt on May 27, 2011 14:56:47 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the TTR operates with what is essentially a chopped version of the bolt carrier and a delayed gas piston or something similar. That just allows them to keep the entire action contained inside the upper. Beyond that, I can't tell you anymore.
On the AFG, great piece of kit, really designed to help control the muzzle for more rapid follow up shots and better stability when firing on full auto. Had a few guys running them while I was overseas, so I got to play with them a little bit. Biggest complaint I heard from it was that it does force you into what many consider a proper form for your off-hand. And if you're not used to it, and don't have the muscle memory for it, makes it uncomfortable. By wrapping your hand around the barrel you keep stability, but with the overall size of your rail system, I think it would cause more issues than anything, unless you have massive hands.
If you really like the AFG, see if you can get hands on it on someone else's rail system. Because Knief has already pointed out that your rail is kind of a hinder to proper form and function.
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Post by kustom on May 27, 2011 16:54:06 GMT -5
The TTR runs on what's called the DiGS, Delayed impingement Gas System, it's a modified version of the ZM weapons system LR-300, and is indeed doable. In Airsoft, to change to a standard buffer tube you'd probably need a different lower, which.... Yeah.
I like the AFG, but I'm thinking about going more conventional on my real AR, to just see how that goes.
I think some black XTM's would look hot, or those bamboo textured rail covers. Of course, you can't go wrong with a classic rail ladder.
Then get an Aimpoint clone on there, and you'll be ready to rock steady.
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Post by lonewolf on May 27, 2011 21:25:33 GMT -5
One word. Masterkey. Good luck.
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Post by trustkill on May 27, 2011 23:06:02 GMT -5
I like it, kinda. It's simple but a bit unrefined. I'd be afraid of snapping that buffer tube like a balsam stick. Different rail (even the 2 piece drop in looks amazing and is pretty cheap,) a shorty vfg, lose the flashlight (unless you feel like provoking a seizure or highlighting yourself in the dark) and grab a peq battery holder. But when it comes down to it you should always go what works for you in the current environment. (Field,CQB or other.)
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Post by Green Man on May 28, 2011 19:54:21 GMT -5
People keep bringing up the buffer tube, however, I really cant distinguish the difference between that one and any other one. Perhaps someone could clear things up for me...?
To be honest I'm digging the rifle. The ready-mag is something you rarely see and I'm a big fan of it.
I would also like to agree with Avenir. I think its rather upsetting that when one posts a picture of their M4 and it doesn't have an ACOG or an EOtech with a peg15 and magpull hardware people always criticize it because it doesn't look EXACTLY like every other M4 on this forum. Creativity and uniqueness points count for something.
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Post by Knief on May 30, 2011 20:06:57 GMT -5
Greenman, The difference is, there's a hinge set about an inch back from the back of the receiver on fiach's M4. Here's a picture of my G&G, without the hinge: i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/Kniefjdl/Guns/gallery05.jpgKoko,'s M4 shown here has a good profile of a normal buffer tube in a similar position as fiach's: i104.photobucket.com/albums/m183/timhughes/DSCN0004.jpgAs for the criticism he's getting, it's not because his doesn't have a bunch of Magpul accessories or that fresh out of Afghanistan look. He's getting criticism for pretty much one reason, and that's the rail. Yeah, the light isn't that great and I don't like the stock (though welcome the correction from Clampitt), but that's no different from the feedback that everybody gets on their guns. The rail is actually problematic though. It just doesn't make any sense for a real gun. Not because it wouldn't be used by an American Soldier or Marine, and not because it's not the latest in high speed technology. No, it doesn't make sense because it doesn't exist, and there's no reason for it to exist. It was created to solve a problem that airsoft guns have (battery storage), but it's a terrible solution compared to pretty much every other solution available. So the criticism he's getting is simple: if he wants to improve the looks and functionality of his gun, he should replace the rail system with a more realistic rail system and a different battery solution. That would make his gun look better and function better (that is, he could grip it better and the foregrip that he likes could actually be useful). The only reason the PEQ even came up is because it would be a better battery storage solution. Similarly, I mentioned that he could use the Redi-mag that he already has (and that looks both unique and awesome) to solve the battery problem.
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