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Post by aaron96 on May 3, 2011 15:19:46 GMT -5
Hi, a friend and I have been considering making a sniper rifle as a project to do over the summer since we both don't have too much going on. We both don't much experience whatsoever but are willing to learn. I was wondering A. Is this even possible? B. Would we make the whole thing by ourselves or would it be better to buy a base gun and make major improvements from there? And C. How much would this cost? I have read that you need to put in around 500 dollars to get something good but does this cost go up or down if you do most of the work yourself? For now we haven't decided on a budget but we can't spend more than 500 and it could easily be less. Finally we both would rather not build an AEG because we both already own one of our own (but a semi-auto only AEG we would consider). Thank you for your help.
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Post by Thor on May 3, 2011 15:39:11 GMT -5
You're going to want to start with a quality replica, so pretty much either a TM VSR or a Maruzen L96, possibly a CA M24 would work too. If you think you're going to build anything worth using out of a UTG/Echo1/etc clone, you're kidding yourself. And if you think you'll machine something completely from scratch, you're really kidding yourself.
Most, if not all of the guys here that are dedicated snipers have sunk hundreds of dollars into their guns, if not approaching or surpassing 1000 bucks.
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Post by aaron96 on May 3, 2011 15:43:54 GMT -5
I wasn't thinking I could completely machine it myself just buy all of the parts separately but if you think it is better to upgrade off a base I will take your suggestion because you know more than me.
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Post by fuzzywolly on May 3, 2011 16:52:54 GMT -5
You're going to want to start with a quality replica, so pretty much either a TM VSR or a Maruzen L96, possibly a CA M24 would work too. If you think you're going to build anything worth using out of a UTG/Echo1/etc clone, you're kidding yourself. As long as every piece is replaced in the UTG/other clones it can perform on par with the higher end brands. However, since the OP has a max of $500 it sounds like he will not be able to buy the majority of the internal parts to have a fully upgraded rifle. Therefore, going with a higher end rifle would be the better option. Less chance of something crapping out on him. But in the long run, clones can make a great base for upgrading. I would personally start with a base gun and upgrade from there. Making one from scratch, with limited knowledge of bolt actions in the first place, would be quite the challenge. It is hard to find all the parts for a bolt action in separate "packages". For instance, finding a stock, magazine catch, and rails for bolt action rifles is a lot harder than simply starting with a base. The major advantage by having a base rifle is that you do not have to buy every single part. Some never need to be replaced, or only do if they break. For example, I have been running with the same magazine catch, receiver, and rails on my rifle while almost every internal piece has been replaced.
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Post by aaron96 on May 3, 2011 20:31:16 GMT -5
Great, thank you so much for the help. I will probably try and find a TM VSR of Maruzen L96 and just work from there if I ever go through with this.
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Post by fuzzywolly on May 3, 2011 20:41:16 GMT -5
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Post by captainbrenandsten on May 3, 2011 20:43:49 GMT -5
If you look on the WW2 airsoft forums or talk to sgttom, you could build a Kar98k, M1903 Springfield, or a Lee Enfield. The base gun for all of these rifles is a JG Bar-10.
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Post by aaron96 on May 3, 2011 21:30:07 GMT -5
We aren't interested in any historical accuracy or cosmetic details but thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by aaron96 on May 4, 2011 14:15:41 GMT -5
H, again I have a question, if I buy a UTG mk96 and upgrade it over 3-4 months when we get the money will it be crap until I replace almost everything or well it be decent if I put in around 300 to start and then put in more parts when we get the money. Sorry for the double post.
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Post by fuzzywolly on May 4, 2011 14:22:18 GMT -5
H, again I have a question, if I buy a UTG mk96 and upgrade it over 3-4 months when we get the money will it be crap until I replace almost everything or well it be decent if I put in around 300 to start and then put in more parts when we get the money. Sorry for the double post. You can get it to perform decently with limited money. $300 worth of upgrades will do you some real good, and with a few DIY mods, you can get the rifle performing to a higher level. I recommend starting off focusing with upgrading the hop up parts (barrel, chamber, bucking, nubbin, etc.) You will have some extra cash left over to add some durability parts. The trigger box is a weak point, and is something to look into reinforcing/replacing. The parts inside the cylinder unit, while cheap and plastic, held up for me well over a year before I replaced them. The cylinder has yet to break, and I am still using the stock one to this day. So to answer your question, yes, with $300 and some love, you can get the rifle shooting to a higher level, as well as increasing durability so that the rifle can last long enough until you have the money to buy the rest of the upgrades.
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Post by aaron96 on May 4, 2011 18:24:23 GMT -5
Thank you for the suggestions, one final question on your forum post that you linked it recommended getting a pdi hop up that lets you use AEG parts. Why is this?
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Post by fuzzywolly on May 4, 2011 20:18:25 GMT -5
Thank you for the suggestions, one final question on your forum post that you linked it recommended getting a pdi hop up that lets you use AEG parts. Why is this? The PDI hop up chamber is a hop up chamber that allows for the use of AEG barrels and buckings. A lot of guys on the other forum love the chamber but I have had trouble with it. I am currently tweaking it to get it shooting how I want.. The reason that the PDI chamber uses AEG barrels is most likely because of the fact that AEG barrels and buckings are more easy to come by. Finding a barrel meant for the UTG mk96 stock chamber are hard to come by. There are a few, but not a whole bunch. With the ability to take AEG barrels and buckings, this opens the door for a variety of options to upgrading your hop up parts. For instance, there are all kinds of barrels out there (6.01mm, 6.03mm, etc.)-- Plus a variety of brands...(Laylax, PDI, Madbull, Prometheus, etc.) That is my guess as to why the PDI chamber uses AEG barrels and buckings. It makes sense as to why they did that, and I am happy that is the case. Same with the HP chamber. It also takes AEG barrels and buckings.
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Post by Gimpalong on May 5, 2011 7:21:37 GMT -5
Admittedly, I know dick about sniping and sniper rifles, but I would suggest that you take a look around at various forum classifieds.
A few months ago, I picked up a JG BAR-10 with a Noobie's M-Trigger installed, PDI Tightbore and 9-ball bucking for under $200. I then purchased mounts and a scope for it. The gun chronoed at 530 and could definitely reach out and touch people.
I then promptly sold it on as sniping isn't really my thing.
Anyway, the teachable moment here is that you can find damn good deals on forums, especially if you're willing to fore-go the need for "instant gratification" and take a month or two to wait for that sweet deal to come along.
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Post by fuzzywolly on May 5, 2011 14:37:55 GMT -5
To add to what gimpalong said, there are a few deals that I know of that might interest you. Feel free to PM me aaron for more details.
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Post by aaron96 on May 5, 2011 14:57:20 GMT -5
And one final thing, I'm not interested in buying something pre-upgraded I want to do that myself because I need something to do over the summer. I am open into buying something stock that is used but I will only buy if they have a lot of good reviews. I am superstitious about buying things online.
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