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Post by Ghast on Apr 28, 2011 12:24:47 GMT -5
2. Lack of respect? Wounded Warrior charity, Children of Fallen Soldiers charity. Yep, we're completely disrespectful and don't give a good god damn about our country or those who fight for it. Hey, maybe you can recoup all the money Vernon Goss (OpDoc) stole.
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Post by glassarchitect on Apr 28, 2011 12:53:06 GMT -5
OpDoc... you mean "Sev the Ninja Killer"?
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Apr 28, 2011 19:15:19 GMT -5
Yes JuiceBox, we're going to burn a U.S. flag just for you. You should come down, it'll be a hoot. I don't feel like typing much, so I'm just going to arrange this into a list to keep it simple. 1. The first statement was sarcasm. In case you didn't pick up on that. 2. Lack of respect? Wounded Warrior charity, Children of Fallen Soldiers charity. Yep, we're completely disrespectful and don't give a good god damn about our country or those who fight for it. 3. Once again, the previous statement was sarcasm. I feel the need to clarify. Except the charity part, that's not. 4. Our weekly attendance is about 40-50 people. Every Saturday, and 20 on Sunday every other weekend. It's not just the same people every weekend either. Also, Fueling the Fire will have 250 people in attendance. So, "a few people who attend our games" is a bit of an understatement. I'm hurt. 5. One more note; Yes, criticism is good. But there seems to be a recurring trend I like to refer to as "the seagulls from 'Finding Nemo' syndrome" going on here. Slight difference. EDIT: OH! I almost forgot, we are having one of the previously mentioned former military gentlemen on our team burn a flag at Breedland. But it'll be done in accordance with the proper flag-retiring ceremony for doing so. I figured it was worth mentioning. Anything else? You guys deserve credit for the charities that you contribute to. For that I absolutely applaud you for it. Unfortunately that isn't what is being discussed here. The issue here is how our country's flag is being used during the specific game that you posted on youtube. Its true that you have absolutely every right to do with it as you please. I think the first amendment covers that but what I believe everyone is upset with is that its really just in bad taste to use the flag as more of a tool the way you are using it as a part of a game where it is indirectly shot at and has every potential to be dropped and tossed around. The other thing is that you seem to be trying to justify it just because nobody there said anything. To me that seems pretty disrespectful. Maybe that's just me. If that doesn't sound disrespectful to your group then that's on you. Just don't expect everyone to be on board with it around here. I had high hopes for kzoo when you guys first came on the scene here on MIA. I was actually looking for an opportunity to come out and play at your facility. Its always good to have a variety of places to play but for some reason SOME you guys just haven't represented yourselves well and that's hurting the way you are perceived by this community whether its justified or not. MIA won't gang up on a person or group for no reason. It is only when MIA sees something that is out of place that it reacts (just like now). You claim to be MIA's most hated team. It's because at one point someone in your group probably did something that got you there and when MIA as a community tried to get you on the right path its likely that whoever it was (in your group) came back in a hostile way (just like now).
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Post by Chaos on Apr 28, 2011 20:37:55 GMT -5
2. Lack of respect? Wounded Warrior charity, Children of Fallen Soldiers charity. Yep, we're completely disrespectful and don't give a good god damn about our country or those who fight for it. Nobody is talking about whether or not you donate to charity, I think it is absolutely astounding that you take the time to plan games that can help the brave men and women who fight for our freedoms. However, do you think it is truly honoring them by using the flag they fight and die under as a tool in a game? 4. Our weekly attendance is about 40-50 people. Every Saturday, and 20 on Sunday every other weekend. It's not just the same people every weekend either. Also, Fueling the Fire will have 250 people in attendance. So, "a few people who attend our games" is a bit of an understatement. I'm hurt. To be quite frank, the majority of your attendance is younger players with very little experience. Just an observation that I've made.
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Post by Mosin on Apr 28, 2011 22:56:28 GMT -5
So you'd like an explanation? I'm going to go with "no" on that one. Despite popular belief, A of K does not cater solely to the 14-16 year old crowd. I only mention this because of the many police and military (both prior service, retired, and active) who attend our events on a regular basis. In our nearly year and a half of operation, not a single person has ever brought that up as a concern. I've never attended one of your events. But I am active duty Military. That shit is bad to go. Have a little more respect for your nation than using it as a means of your enjoyment, for it to be dropped on the ground and defiled.
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Post by Munster on Apr 28, 2011 23:11:15 GMT -5
MiA... Land of the troll.
Maybe we should also remove the replica group insignias from our arm patches, because we are also just playing a game.. And men have died wearing such things in real combat.
Maybe all airsoft players should not wear American Flags on their armpatches, because it defiles the flag, using it in a game like that.
In fact, we really shouldn't dress up and play military at all. Its really disrespectful to those who died wearing that uniform to play a game wearing it.. Men have died wearing ACU, after all..
Anyway, all the flags we use are made in China. They're just "clone flags." I keep a high-end, Japanese-made flag in its proper case at all times, out of respect, of course.
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Post by Canto on Apr 28, 2011 23:39:41 GMT -5
You claim to be MIA's most hated team. It's because at one point someone in your group probably did something that got you there and when MIA as a community tried to get you on the right path its likely that whoever it was (in your group) came back in a hostile way (just like now). Quoted for truth... ^ ^ ^ MiA... Land of the troll. Maybe we should also remove the replica group insignias from our arm patches, because we are also just playing a game.. And men have died wearing such things in real combat. Maybe all airsoft players should not wear American Flags on their armpatches, because it defiles the flag, using it in a game like that. In fact, we really shouldn't dress up and play military at all. Its really disrespectful to those who died wearing that uniform to play a game wearing it.. Men have died wearing ACU, after all.. Anyway, all the flags we use are made in China. They're just "clone flags." I keep a high-end, Japanese-made flag in its proper case at all times, out of respect, of course. Munster/Bill, Your arrogance never ceases to astound me... I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but every single person that has posted in this thread is and/or was a potential customer of yours. You're obviously not the brightest crayon in the box, so let me spell this out for you... - Your Customer Base Is Saying That They Find Your Video And The Contents To Be Offensive - From my understanding, you work (Some Level of Management) for a lawn care business based out of Schoolcraft, Michigan; All-Green correct? I believe lawn care would be classified as a 'Service' or 'Customer Service' oriented business. I'm surprised that your prior employment experience hasn't caused you to learn anything. Wouldn't it behoove you to listen to them? Yet, you reply with "MiA... Land of the Troll." Hey man, at least the Land of the Troll doesn't have a built in word sensor that edits out 'MiA' or 'Michigan Airsoft' and replaces it 'Purgatory' automatically from posts...
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Post by Munster on Apr 28, 2011 23:48:37 GMT -5
Kazz, I love you. ¢¾ Too bad most of what we say is lost on those whose sole purpose is to make themselves feel better by tearing others down. Poor us. Maybe we should quit. Close the Airhouse and take up...some other sport.
MiA, you've done it! You've broken my poor spirit. Nothing to do now but.... waste.... away....
Wrap me in a chinese flag and ship me to Shanghai. I am a traitor to my nation. Only banishment befits me...
By the way, John. The only people who have commented on this thread who have actually attended a game is Chaos, Glass, and yourself. Thanks for the advice though. I have always wondered how a Cashier at Family Fare in Paw Paw would run my business.
Not sure why you can get away with purposefully flame-baiting me by calling me "not the brightest crayon in the box.." Must be the mod powers..
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Post by Relarz on Apr 28, 2011 23:59:34 GMT -5
In fact, we really shouldn't dress up and play military at all. Its really disrespectful to those who died wearing that uniform to play a game wearing it.. Men have died wearing ACU, after all.. Men have died wearing Fubu's, Nike's, and blue jeans. That doesn't mean we should just walk around naked... Flawed logic is flawed.
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Post by Canto on Apr 28, 2011 23:59:55 GMT -5
Kazz, I love you. ¢¾ Too bad most of what we say is lost on those whose sole purpose is to make themselves feel better by tearing others down. Poor us. Maybe we should quit. Close the Airhouse and take up...some other sport. MiA, you've done it! You've broken my poor spirit. Nothing to do now but.... waste.... away.... Wrap me in a chinese flag and ship me to Shanghai. I am a traitor to my nation. Only banishment befits me... By the way, John. The only people who have commented on this thread who have actually attended a game is Chaos, Glass, and yourself. Thanks for the advice though. I have always wondered how a Cashier at Family Fare in Paw Paw would run my business. Not sure why you can get away with purposefully flame-baiting me by calling me "not the brightest crayon in the box.." Must be the mod powers.. ^ This is exactly what I'm talking about. ^ You should care about the opinion of those who will be paying your admission fees. Because I can guarantee you will lose business from the people who are reading this thread and seeing you blow off the responses of people.
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Post by Kiki on Apr 29, 2011 0:02:09 GMT -5
If you have such a big problem with MiA, just leave. Nobody is forcing you guys to stick around here.
Honestly, it's not like people on MiA just hate on people for no reason. If every time you post, you post something that people here find offensive, maybe you should either just stop posting or more carefully consider what you post.
I just get the feeling that every time you KZoo guys (at least some of you) post, you try to start an argument about some stupid little thing. It's as if you come on here trying to start little fights.
In the future, if you want to still be a part of MiA, just be a little more careful with your words. I know it probably feels like all of MiA is against you right now, but if you guys can shape up and stop making such drama out of every thread you post in, things would be different.
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Post by Relarz on Apr 29, 2011 0:09:37 GMT -5
Drama's all mine. I took offense to watching guys pick up and drop the US flag like a fucking toy.
I don't care if you're active duty or not, such behavior is shit.
And for the record, I never attended any of the Kzoo games because quite frankly the drive is awfully far for what looks like pretty mediocre airsoft compared to what I've been to.
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Post by Koko on Apr 29, 2011 10:07:15 GMT -5
Kazz, I love you. ¢¾ Too bad most of what we say is lost on those whose sole purpose is to make themselves feel better by tearing others down. Poor us. Maybe we should quit. Close the Airhouse and take up...some other sport. MiA, you've done it! You've broken my poor spirit. Nothing to do now but.... waste.... away.... Wrap me in a chinese flag and ship me to Shanghai. I am a traitor to my nation. Only banishment befits me... By the way, John. The only people who have commented on this thread who have actually attended a game is Chaos, Glass, and yourself. Thanks for the advice though. I have always wondered how a Cashier at Family Fare in Paw Paw would run my business. Not sure why you can get away with purposefully flame-baiting me by calling me "not the brightest crayon in the box.." Must be the mod powers..This is exactly why you are MiA's most hated team. It's this "holier than thou" attitude that has earned you that spot. Straight put, you guys fucked up. Using an American flag as a game prop was a bad idea. When you posted that video and someone called you out for it (admittedly not entirely eloquently) you went straight into a corner and fought back instead of admitting fault, swallowing your pride and your ego, and then moving past it. I can't think of another team that wouldn't post up about how a kid fell off a balcony at their game and had to go to the hospital either. You don't respect the players in Michigan, you don't respect their safety, and you don't respect the advice that has been given to you here. I like most of you guys that I've met individually which is why seeing conduct like this on the boards is honestly flabbergasting. I still wouldn't mind meeting up with some of you and potentially working on things for the future.
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Post by Knife on Apr 29, 2011 14:18:28 GMT -5
I'm not gonna read through all the crap because I don't really care, and maybe its been mentioned but the video editing needs work. I watched 5 or 6 minutes of it and got kinda bored. It seemed like there were lots of unneeded/boring shots in the video, the only purpose of which was to lengthen or to get people in the video. While those in the video probably appreciate it, for the rest of us it makes for a rather boring video. I skipped around a bit, so maybe I missed the 'better' parts, but for the future I'd work on editing it to be more enjoyable for those who were not there/taking part in it. I'd also shorten the video a bit, but that may go along with cutting out 'unnecessary' clips(Ex: Players face that just flashes at :52, dead guy at 1:02, 2:03, smoke at 3:10). I don't make videos, so I dunno how hard it is to do something like that, but from a viewers perspective that's what I got out of it.
I'd also try and do something with the sound. Not necessarily music, but as a viewer I don't particularly wanna hear the cameraman breathing or the wind blowing across the microphone(1:12ish is a good example). I dunno if its possible to alter audio levels in whatever program you're using, but it might be worth looking into.
I meant this as constructive criticism, and not trying to tear apart the video.
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Post by Hippie on Apr 29, 2011 16:00:25 GMT -5
+1 Canto +1 Koko
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