About Cross-Draw Vests and other things

[Vampyre (Immortal)]

As we all should be aware of the Cross-Draw and other permutations of the non modular Tactical vests are considered a choice for N00bs, but these vest do serve a purpose and are still commonly used by certain divisions of the armed forces.

While I was working at a Haunted House in October I talked to an Army Ranger that was working with us at the military scene in the Hayride. Management gave him a prop P90 that was hooked up to some wiring and a battery that was put on the back of a Cross-draw vest. He was really excited about the vest because he had one when he was serving in Iraq.

I thought that was cool and I asked him what they were used for and the term that is given to the vest. He had a different name for it though I can't seem to recall it, but his description of the use of the vest intrigued me. Basically, he explained that the vests are in fact used and they are made to go over standard issue body armor. He said that the military was phasing them out because of Modular systems being used. They are now issued the body armor with the molle web attached instead of mesh vests that go over non modular body armor.
Cross-draw vests are still used, but they are peppered in with the newer modular system. The cross-draw vests are not standard issue anymore, but the point I am trying to make is that they are still used. The Army Ranger loved the cross-draw vest as part of his load-out.

So the vests do exist in real life. I would say that for airsoft they work good and though they don't fit in well with most Mil-Sim load-outs people shouldn't discredit the vest. They still work for Rec load-outs and some mil-sim load-outs also. Though most of they are generally cheaply made, this is still airsoft and we don't need our equipment to stand up to consecutive months of harsh conditions.

I am not saying they are the best thing ever, but they are pretty decent if your on a tight budget. It's just funny how all the stuff he was talking about would generally be considered a N00B choice for airsofters.

May or may not be factual [Also, He said that he had a sawed of double barrel shotgun that was swivel mounted on his hip so he could shoot locks out of doors and clear rooms. That seems to be extremely non-standard, but I bet a lot of other soldiers use the same thing. Again, we airsofters would never think of using that. If an airsofter did bring something like that he would probably be laughed at.]

How some people think the correct term for a magazine is clip on the forum. A clip is a device that goes into the gun and feeds rounds into it, as an example the M1A1 garand is clip fed. A magazine is a box that holds the rounds to be used and may or may not have a clip inside it, for example the ammo room on a warship is called a magazine and a M16 uses magazines.

"Now we know, and knowing is half the battle"-G.I. JOE

[Thor]

Some of the stuff that guy told you, I would call bullshit on. Example: the shotgun thing.

As the old internet saying goes: Pics, or it didn't happen.

I shouldn't have to say this, but not everyone that says they served in the military did, and even guys that did, can sometimes try to get away with telling stories that are "less than accurate". I knew one such guy in college.

[triggs]

Nov 4, 2010 23:04:44 GMT -5 Vampyre (Immortal) said:

As we all should be aware of the Cross-Draw and other permutations of the non modular Tactical vests are considered a choice for N00bs, but these vest do serve a purpose and are still commonly used by certain divisions of the armed forces.

While I was working at a Haunted House in October I talked to an Army Ranger that was working with us at the military scene in the Hayride. Management gave him a prop P90 that was hooked up to some wiring and a battery that was put on the back of a Cross-draw vest. He was really excited about the vest because he had one when he was serving in Iraq.

I thought that was cool and I asked him what they were used for and the term that is given to the vest. He had a different name for it though I can't seem to recall it, but his description of the use of the vest intrigued me. Basically, he explained that the vests are in fact used and they are made to go over standard issue body armor. He said that the military was phasing them out because of Modular systems being used. They are now issued the body armor with the molle web attached instead of mesh vests that go over non modular body armor.
Cross-draw vests are still used, but they are peppered in with the newer modular system. The cross-draw vests are not standard issue anymore, but the point I am trying to make is that they are still used. The Army Ranger loved the cross-draw vest as part of his load-out.

So the vests do exist in real life. I would say that for airsoft they work good and though they don't fit in well with most Mil-Sim load-outs people shouldn't discredit the vest. They still work for Rec load-outs and some mil-sim load-outs also. Though most of they are generally cheaply made, this is still airsoft and we don't need our equipment to stand up to consecutive months of harsh conditions.

I am not saying they are the best thing ever, but they are pretty decent if your on a tight budget. It's just funny how all the stuff he was talking about would generally be considered a N00B choice for airsofters.

How some people think the correct term for a magazine is clip on the forum. A clip is a device that goes into the gun and feeds rounds into it, as an example the M1A1 garand is clip fed. A magazine is a box that holds the rounds to be used and may or may not have a clip inside it, for example the ammo room on a warship is called a magazine and a M16 uses magazines.

Also, He said that he had a sawed of double barrel shotgun that was swivel mounted on his hip so he could shoot locks out of doors and clear rooms. That seems to be extremely non-standard, but I bet a lot of other soldiers use the same thing. Again, we airsofters would never think of using that. If an airsofter did bring something like that he would probably be laughed at.

"Now we know, and knowing is half the battle"-G.I. JOE

I see a lot of hearsay and not a lot of factual information.

Is this a post about the tendencies of this forum or are you actually trying to bring a legitimate argument to the forums? If you read most threads that are well peer-edited and peer-reviewed you will see any points you bring that might actually hold ground are common knowledge.

The rest, well, I think it's laughingly obvious

[Vampyre (Immortal)]

Nov 4, 2010 23:16:39 GMT -5 Thor said:

Some of the stuff that guy told you, I would call bullshit on. Example: the shotgun thing.

As the old internet saying goes: Pics, or it didn't happen.

I shouldn't have to say this, but not everyone that says they served in the military did, and even guys that did, can sometimes try to get away with telling stories that are "less than accurate". I knew one such guy in college.

Yeah it does seem a little like bullshit to me I'll just omit that part. For all I know he could have just been exaggerating like he was a "shuttle door gunner"-MM.

I see a lot of hearsay and not a lot of factual information.

Is this a post about the tendencies of this forum or are you actually trying to bring a legitimate argument to the forums? If you read most threads that are well peer-edited and peer-reviewed you will see any points you bring that might actually hold ground are common knowledge.

The rest, well, I think it's laughingly obvious

It pretty much is just hearsay, but i just wanted to bring up my conversation that I had with the guy onto the forums. I thought his feedback on the cross-draw vests was interesting. I'm sure it was already stated in the forums somewhere and probably in a few different places, but I just wanted to make a consolidated post specific to the cross-draw vest.

But the Mag vs. Clip terminology is a fact. Those terms aren't universal and I have seen some people on the forum use the term mag and then falsely correct themselves by calling it a clip instead.

[Knief]

There's so much more to say about this post, largely about how you're making an argument against a position that doesn't exist. But I think this is more important right now:

Those terms aren't universal and I have seen some people on the forum use the term mag and then falsely correct themselves by calling it a clip instead.

Who says this? Was his post count greater than 10? Was this in a thread from years ago? I want a link. I would venture a guess that 95% of the active members on this forum know the difference between a magazine and clip. If they don't, they get corrected very quickly.

[Zorak]

Cross-draw vests suck and all this post demonstrates is that they might have milsim value for someone doing an impersonation of a soldier who got stuck with a mismatched loadout.

The cross-draw concept puts the sidearm in some of the most useful real estate on the vest. You give up space for 4-6 magazines for your primary weapon in exchange for something you hope never to need. If you want a sidearm carried on your main load bearing gear and not in a drop leg or belt holster, sticking into an open-topped M4 mag pouch or a modular holster would still be better than a cross-draw.

[Kiki]

First off, do you understand the difference between a cross-draw vest and just a mesh non-MOLLE vest? Honestly, I kind of doubt that the military uses many cross-draw vests, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some had mesh non-MOLLE vests. Here's what I'm saying:

Cross-draw:




Mesh non-MOLLE (not cross-draw!):




I suppose I could see some military units using gear like in the second picture, but I doubt many would actually use a cross-draw like the first picture.

[Great Troub of Troubistan]

Yeah, I am gonna call bullshit on the Army Ranger with the double-barrel shotgun swivel mount.

[Thor]

Nov 5, 2010 17:52:48 GMT -5 Great Troub of Troubistan said:

Yeah, I am gonna call bullshit on the Army Ranger with the double-barrel shotgun swivel mount.

Agreed, unless someone can show me evidence of such a thing being used, by anyone, ever, I'm gonna say that's an "exaggeration".

[Great Troub of Troubistan]

I also usually don't believe any guy who works at a haunted house. Just a general rule of thumb.

[Vampyre (Immortal)]

I have nothing else to say. I do know the difference between a cross-draw vest and a non-molle mesh tactical vest.
I was just trying to say that their is too much hate for the cross-draw vest. I know it is generally used by new players, but I see nothing wrong with that. Having a cross-draw vest and a non-molle tac-vest vest is a good starting point for new players. We all have to start somewhere.

Cross-draw vests are used by military for light to medium engagements when they don't need a ton of equipment. And Black-Hawk even makes them. www.pakistan.tv/videos-crossdraw-vest-lbe-option-by-nutnfancy--%5BmT2WpNtTKA0%5D.cfm

www.blackhawk.com/product/Omega-Vest-Cross-DrawPistol-Mag,16,85.htm

The Mag vs Clip conundrum is a legitimate argument. I am well aware that most of us know the difference but there are those that don't know. Here is a cool article about it: www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

But, the swivel shotgun was added in there for shits and giggles. I was just talking with the guy and that could have been made up. But, he was in real combat he wasn't just making himself out to be a bad-ass. The guy got shot and has a scar right by his spine on his neck where a 9mm bullet ricochet off a wall and almost killed him. He said he died 3 times and that's pretty messed up, he also has bunch of shrapnel in him.

A lot of us haunted house workers are really upstanding and honest people. The fleshies might not see that in us because we're putting on a good show, but we are good people in general. This year we were fund-raising for this kid that is getting a kidney transplant.

[Great Troub of Troubistan]

I don't get my information from a guy named nutfancy and I can point to several scars on my body that I can convince you are former bullet wounds.

[Vampyre (Immortal)]

Ok fine the guy might of been bullshitting me a little. The shotgun contraption of his is probably an over exageration, but Army Rangers are L.I. special forces they see a lot of combat and he was an Airborne Ranger. They aren't shuttle door gunners, they actually are on the ground fighting. This guy is a pretty cool dude and I doubt he would be making his job up.

[glassarchitect]

There's hating on crossdraws because they're ugly and they suck.


Also... I *really* wish these forums had a "like" button for comments

[triggs]

So think about this logically then.

If you think he's making up the shotgun shit.
Then logically he's lying to you.

If that's true, then what in the world would make you think he's telling the truth about anything else.

And for the record this whole thread is logically full of bullshit.