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Post by SCAR on Aug 22, 2010 22:52:51 GMT -5
Ask anyone who knows me and has played with me, I'm probably the easiest going player out there. I never get into fights on the field over who-hit-who first or anything involving airsoft for that matter.
My attitude is based on the fact that I along with every other player who thought this event was ran poorly, had to pay to play. If I knew the turn out was going to be like it was you couldn't have payed me $65 to play. It wasn't a milsim event at all, it was merely a giant rec game, force on force.
The guys in charge of the gold city were pretty rude to me and my guys, basically telling us to just go away and do whatever. Green team didn't want us around either until 6 other contractors and I decided to attack the whole green team, taking out like 45 players. Then they wanted us around.
I'm not trying to be an asshole but when you pay 65 dollars and drive 4 hours away you expect a whole lot more.
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Post by SCAR on Aug 22, 2010 22:58:45 GMT -5
This was the worst game ever.... blah blah blah wahwah Sounds like someone got sand in their vag. Not sure what event you went to, but the one I attended (was on tan side) had vehicles - dueces and some sort of armored car driving around - pyrotechnics, some sort of loud ass explosions whatever in the westerfield near the dams (I was at Gold City a fair distance away and heard them), and I think the artillery were booming some times. I cant speak the the safety issues at chrono because I didnt see that but I did see kids taking their goggles off onfield it looks like to defog them. That was bad. but i can see they couldnt have refs everywhere that field is frigging huge. And as for the organization, if you want milsim then attend the forums to get your orders. Or make it in time for the pre-briefing. ours was over 1/2 hour long in browntown. from what i heard from other players the whole set of civilians were a bunch of asshats and retards - either that or immature paintsofters. non of em came prepared, like you. none of them knew the rules, like you. non of them read the forums, like you. i didnt get to play with ro against with the contractors much, but reading your post i can believe what i heard from the green and tan players. ...and watch your mouth, francis. ha. but while you're in here whining like a foul mouth shit, you seem to find time to post the following elsewhere: Good Event, I should probably work out and get ready better for next years. I do have some complaints on what happened during Gold City. There was a lot of blind firing and full auto shooting into buildings. While in a building and dead, with a giant red rag, I at minimum was lit up 6 times while dead. All in all, it was a good event. funny that so which is it? I'm not sure where you read this but it sure as hell wasn't me who posted it! Your right none of the civis came prepared except us. They actually laughed at us because we were to prepared.
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Post by Gunny87 on Aug 22, 2010 23:29:58 GMT -5
Your right none of the civis came prepared except us. They actually laughed at us because we were to prepared. Now that I wouldn't be surprised about. From what I saw SCAR you seemed to be one of the few civies to actually wear a full kit. The rest just had the shirts on their back and a gun. Which didn't matter to me personally. But I definitely noticed that as well. Blade, I think you did an awesome job hosting this event. It's not easy coordinating an event as large as the Blind Fury 7, and I can tell that you guys do your best. Which I give you lots of credit for. Yeah the only form of feedback I'd like to leave is to some how figure out a way to make sure people some how check the event forum to find out which platoon, squad, and radio frequency that they should follow. Which I understand you can't make anyone check the forum but I def got a little frustrated when less than half our platoon showed up. Also you did a good job replying and giving all the updates and info on the event forum.
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Post by Viper on Aug 23, 2010 9:01:21 GMT -5
It's all about the players who attended. I was a cameraman this year because I got sick and was dehydrated and probably was a good idea I didn't run around in the heat. That being said I walked a lot and saw almost every perspective during the event. And while I agree chrono was a problem, it is not the event organizers job to babysit all the arrogant dumb shits who think they're mature enough to show up to a MILSIM event, not read the rules and ruin the event for everyone else!
If you don't want to take the time to read the rules and prepare for an event that is supposed to be as big as Blind Fury then either stay the fuck home or go play in some backyard open play. You and everyone else who didn't read the forums for the event, please don't come next year...
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Post by blade on Aug 23, 2010 9:34:07 GMT -5
I need to be very honest here once again, Many of the problems I heard this year were, I thought, under control from my previous years. Last year, we had very few incidents regarding sportsmanship , chrono and things of that sort. We had major issues with the chain of command and check-in. This year, I would believe we did much better. Yes my guys might have made few bad judgment calls and I will find out about them and go from there but when you think about it, I have no way to control players all day long. Players can be tagged at the chrono but who knows if they will not go back to their car and change the tag or simply change their gun setup 5min later. Tagging a gun is just to make the players happy about having a little colored tag on the barrel. it can't guarantee the FPS chronoed will be the same the minute after. Now if you would tell me we have to seal the receiver so you can't alter anything, than I would say yes, that would be the way to go.
2 things I personally noticed and did not need to hear back before taking the decision; civilians and referees. I was hoping I would be able to stay away from referee duties but I guess we reached the point where we need to be all over the place. The poor sportsmanship was unbelievable this year and while I can take the blame for a lack of information before the event, there are no way players could expect that I would allow cussing, yelling, shop glasses, high caps at the event and those are still things I can check at the starting point but I have no way to guarantee the players will not swap mags and goggles as soon as out of sight. As Viper said, it is all about the players trust, respect and honesty and unfortunately, we did not have it this year. There is a different between an honest mistake and blatantly doing what you want because you feel it is fitting you better.
For the civilian role, I would have expect civilian to understand the storyline and background a bit more. Perhaps i should have give more info prior the event but outside the contractors, I don't see how civilians can actually run in full battle gear! In my opinion, i think many players took the civilian team as a contractor group and went from there. I heard from some of my referees that many civilian simply did not want to follow the concept and went to do there own thing, which is why many civilian objectives were not meant. If the civilians are used next year, I will have to be more specific or even invite-only for them.
All in all, yes, it was the biggest event ever and also the biggest problems ever. time to go back on the drawing board. If you guys are to bring some suggestions or even more comments, you are more than welcome to email them directly at blade@teamstrikers.com . One thing though, I have no problem getting negatives comments but please add some solutions to these issues. It is always easy to complain but getting everything fixed is not.
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Post by armlet on Aug 23, 2010 13:41:41 GMT -5
... Your right none of the civis came prepared except us. They actually laughed at us because we were to prepared. No you read my post wrong. I didn't post that others were't prepared. I meant that from what you posted and what I heard from green and tan players, NONE of the civies were well prepared. And from what you posted about how you didnt read the player kit or the forums, I meant you too. If you showed up in full battle rattle gear you were prepared to play airsoft but not prepared for this event or the side to which you signed up. As I heard from the civi leadership, they put the call out for weeks about who wanted to be contractors, as they were reserved slots, and nobody responded. And on top of that tehy then all showed up looking like blackwater and not civilians. The ones in tan and black were the problems. From what I heard of other players on tan and green the civis in civilian attire actually were not the problem and were playing their role. Aside from some tempers at the goldcity fight, the vast majority of issues i heard from people about attitude were the black and tan contractors. so if you were in black and tan you were very likely not there to play your role, not prepared, not good attitude or sportsmanship, and becvause you paid just like everyone else who IS following the rules doesnt excuse you. In other words you were part of the problem. that being said, everyone i was around on tan and those i talked to on green had a BLAST! we will be back next year for sure.
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Post by Fox on Aug 23, 2010 14:24:33 GMT -5
First off, I would like to point out that I am going to double post because I would like to address two seperate issues.
I would like to say that it wasnt the fault of reading the rules on the forums or whatnot that made the Civilian/Contractor side bad. It was poor leadership. On the sign up we signed up for Civilian/Contractor and we came as that, jeans and plate carriers. The mayor pretty much nixed our duties / role as a contractor right off the bat. I work 50+ hours a week and have a family of two kids and a pregnant wife to take care of and really don't have time to sit and spend night after night looking for updates as to what is going on. A simple briefing is all that would have sufficed. My group got there at 7am and there was no civilian briefing at any time. As far as prepared goes? We came as contractors, and as such were prepared for almost anything (save for the fact that no one brought an bug spray and I was eaten alive). Our attitudes where great until we got fucked over by the mayor, green team, and tan team... pretty much everyone.
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Post by Fox on Aug 23, 2010 14:26:07 GMT -5
Second, here is my synopsis of the event and why I was not happy with 45 bucks and 10+ hours of driving for an event which I feel was a complete waste.
Well, my .02. Overall, I was really disappointed in the event as a whole. I hate rambling and trying to make things flow and make sense so I'm just going to list the problems we had, and the few good things.
The day started out on the wrong foot right from sign in. Great job on nabbing every car as it came in even before it parked with the waivers, it really was a good idea. However the patch system and shirt system did and didn't work. The guy handing out the patches gave one to every one of the four people in our car. the problem with that is that only 2 of us actually registered before the early pay cutoff (i don't mind every1 getting a patch b/c its something to remember the vent by but if your going to do that then don't put it in the 'bonus' for pre-paying by a certain date). The real kicker came to the shirts. We got up to the gate and the guy asked for each of our names and marked us off then asked what size shirt we wanted. Problem came when he said that the largest he had was a XL and both moped and I wanted a 4x and 3x respectively. You guys emailed us and asked what size shirts we wanted so there should have been no excuse as to why you wouldn't have it. The guy doing the sign in should have had what size shirt the person needed if any shirt was needed at all.
Chrono: Well, how your chrono station worked was both guys would call a person up and ask what weight BB they were shooting and then have the player shoot through the chrono. We didn't have any problems b/c all of our weapons were CQB ready (even my sl-8, I have nothing else to say) and shooting around 350-370 ish save the exception for the barrett. After that they just said that you were good, and there was no marking of the guns at all. I did notice a player saying that he was shooting heavier bbs and tell the guy that it doesn't shoot that hot with 2s and your guy did just say OK to it, and one guy was having a feed issue and they just didn't end up having him chrono.
Mids vs Highs: I personally didn't notice anything but i also wasn't concerning myself with other players minor rule violations. We had 3 high cap guns with us which we asked about to the one striker doing the chrono ( the 3 being the barrett which they don't make mids for, my mg36 which was more of if it was acceptable as it didn't have the correct stock to be 'milsim' per MI standards, and I had a G&G UMP with me as an extreme last weapon b/c i only have a few highs for it but it didn't even get taken out or chronod), but didn't go around and check every1 else out.
Safety: I found myself numerous times telling people to keep their goggles on in the field, and even noticed a few ones that looked like just shop glasses or sun glasses. however, i wasn't 100% sure if they were or they were the airsoft glasses so i didn't comment on it. Its their eyes at stake, not mine.
After seeing everyone heading out we geared up and followed a few other civilians out to the front where we were told we get to walk to the city. This wasn't horrible but it wasn't exactly nice as Tan and Green were getting shuttled to their base. It was warm and was already hot and sweaty just getting to the city. This falls under the same category as vehicles. I don't think it was very fair that both tan and green got a deuce and the civilians got nothing at all to get from one point to another. Related, the vehicle rules were a bit on the dumb side. I can see not shooting the players in the back and the whole 2 rocket deal to kill a vehicle, buy why cant i shoot the driver and/or the gunner? When a deuce rolled up on the green controlled airfield and everyone was scrambling for a rocket to disable it, was why i being hollered at when i opened up fire on the truck after the guy at the front of the cargo area swung a SAW toward us? I'm sorry but I had his support weapon and another tan guy in the back sitting down both aiming guns in my direction, and I'll be damned if i don't shoot first. After shooting at the driver and gunner, I will admit that I let my fire move its way down to the players sitting b/c 2 were standing and 1 other had a weapon up.
The mayor and his pow wow at the beginning was a joke. He started off saying that we were non aggressive (which was ok at first) and that we should mingle and try to find jobs from the other teams while gathering info for ourselves, which is perfectly fine. Problem was when he looked at our group and said that we looked 'to military' in our jeans and plate carriers that we would be contractors (thats fine, i like that role) and we could go and find 'contracts' from the other teams. however he said that the contracts had to be given by the team CO and approved by him, which would have taken more time that it would have been worth for us to help out. Because we were contractors I asked him how much he was paying us and he said 'nothing, if you don't like it get out'. For a contractor, money makes all the difference. At the end we were told to go guard a Dam, not a big deal but he coped an attitude when we asked him to point it out on the map. The only thing he said to us was that it was 'over there' and pointed off in a direction. We never did find dam he was talking about. Along with the task (the only one we got the whole day) we did get a reply as to our engagement rules for the dam.
After a long walk we ended up back at the city where the green CO has just arrived to chat. Our 4 man team decided to take up the security detail (as every1 else just stood there and was going to let him walk through our city all willy nilly) and escort him to the mayor. What sucked about this is that the mayor asked if he was trying to buy out his contractors and after the Green CO said that he wasn't the mayor told him that he better not find out he is. Now that right there was a big killer in the day. Isn't that pretty much what a contractors job is?
We decided to go and see what was up with Tan team. After all, the mayor said that we were non aggressive and shouldn't be fired upon if we weren't being threatening in any way. On the way there we came across 3 other contractors who were also not having a great time and linked up with them. We came across a large Tan force and tried to make some contact with them. Two of our guys went ahead of us about 50ft with NO WEAPONS AT ALL (they left them with us a bit back). A few of the Tan guys were yelling shoot them, as I was yelling that I wanted to talk to their CO. Just after that someone yelled that they were to kill all the civilians on site, so we got 'bang' killed by a few and shot by a couple guys who were no more than 10ft from us (that was really fucking stupid IMO). Non aggressive my ass. As we died the other guys fell back a bit and opened fire on them. At this point we walked back to the airfield with the green team to respawn. Ok so the Tan team just solidified an ass kicking from me, no big deal. What really sucked is when we were there the green team needed some assistance at a location and we told them that we would go and they said no that they didn't need us On top of that shortly after we found out that Tan had over run the city and were heading back to help take it back and we asked green for help but they wouldn't even acknowledge us, they just fucking ignored us, I mean seriously? So now we were really up a creek. Green didn't want us around and Tan out right hated us. At this point I was about ready to throw in the towel. We decided to go assist the city ( which we found to be inhabited by a large Tan force, more than what we had) and were promptly repelled by Tan as our dumb mayor still pleaded about diplomatic and peacefull resolutions to getting our city back. I even warned a Doc heading back to the hospital in the city that he shouldn't go because they were shooting civilians, he just assured me that he would be fine. Guess what? he got into the city where Tan told him to get on his knees and put his hands behind his head, and he got shot. Absolutely brilliant on his part! From there I spent time crawling in the dirt to get to the edge of the brush and get a line of sight on the city with my mg36.
After taking out a dozen or so Tan from my point and listening to failed attempts at retaking the city I was finally killed. The Tan player who got me (although i wouldn't call him tan as he was in multicam and when i looked at him he looked more green that tan which made me not shoot him right away) also got killed by a green recon team not to far from me. We both sat there with our dead rags on when we started getting shot at again, WTH? So we stood up and stood in a clearing so that we could be easily seen. Some Tan jackass decided that he was still going to shoot towards us so i was yelling at him to check his fire and that we were already dead (while waving the red rag around so his blind ass could see it better). He yelled at me and asked if i wanted to have words, well... i yell hell yes i did. he came over and was hoot'n and holler'n about me being dead and to shut the fuck up and not talk, and i told him he was blind and to not fire in our direction which he said that we should just move then. Whatever, every team has assholes. I decided that after loosing the rest of my team i would just head back to the car as i wasn't in the mood to play anymore. There i found out that i had been laying in the dirt for the better part of an hour and a half.
Since we were all at the car we stripped out of our gear and decided to grab some grub, we heard that the ranch owner lady had amazing pulled pork sandwiches. Best part of the day so far was that the pulled pork was simply amazing. Then we found the 3 other contractors out at their vehicle and mingled with them for a bit before deciding that we were going to head down for one last run. This time though we were going rogue. We went down with the mindset that we were going to kill everyone we saw be them green, tan, or civilian. That was the single most amazing part of the day. We were heading down toward the airfield when we opened up fire on a lone green player, after which we medic revived him, then 20 paces later decided he was burden to haul as a prisoner and executed him. Moments later we came to the airfield where we nonchalantly walked in and bang hilled 2 Green team, and then opened up on the other red building full of Green, which caused a full out firefight. After taking out a huge chunk of the Green team they finally managed to kill the 7 of us Contractors. The post fire fight chat we had with the dead green team was nice, they admitted to being completely surprised and laughed about it and even asked if we would join them (HA, first time all day they actually wanted our help). We then walked back up and packed up around 5ish and waited for the raffle at the end.
Overall, I may or may not come back next year I'm still on the fence about it. Even the older guy in the Russian loadout admitted that he has been to all of the Blind Fury games and found that this one was the worst. Things I would have changed though:
1. I would have taken both the mayor (who wasn't paying us anything) and the green team CO prisoner right at the beginning and see where we could have gotten with that.
2. We (our 4 and the 3 guys with the awesome guy in the Russian loadout) should have taken the artillery emplacement from the 5 green guys detached to protect it.
3. Should have killed the dumb green guard and nabbed the folder labeled Govt from inside the 'motor pool' at the airfield. Mind you he argued about how he was behind the screen door and had a spring glock wedged down this BDU pockets and I couldn't get in.
4. Join Tan or Green.
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Post by SCAR on Aug 23, 2010 16:08:29 GMT -5
Don't worry viper, I'm never going to attend an Ohio airsoft game again. I guess you guys expect people to pay money to just role play as a whatever......What a joke, people pay to play a role that involves walking sticks and lawn chairs. Who in there right mind wants to walk around with a stick and pretend to be a civilian and never fire a weapon. In real life combat zones civilians actually fight and use real weapons, not some stupid walking stick. Blind Fury and the whole staff is a joke. I was in the military and with having real combat experience I'd expect a little more MILSIM at an event like this. Not a huge ass req game. This is my last post on this very poor managed game.
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Post by Viper on Aug 24, 2010 7:45:42 GMT -5
Well when you signed up to be a civilian for Blind Fury, maybe you should have asked around and found out what Civilians had been doing for the past, oh.... SIX years. There is plenty of background on what has happened at the past events. And maybe you'd have found out what you were supposed to be doing and maybe how the scenario had progressed over the years. And as far as paying to be a role player... that was your fault. If you didn't want to role play a civilian, pick Tan or Green. Some actually enjoy the role playing aspect of the game.
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Post by armlet on Aug 24, 2010 9:28:25 GMT -5
So basically everything I'm reading from the two complainers here is they signed up for a side and didnt in any way read about what that faction's role was at that event, made assumptions about what they wanted to do and prepared for that, again without preparing in any way that related to the event itself. Excuses that you're busy isn't an excuse. MILSIM is about being prepared for the mission as it is about being prepared to play something you want to do.
You stuck your head in the sand like an ostrich and then complained when what you signed up for wasnt what you assumed you'd be doing, then when you got there and learned your mistaken assumptions, you didnt man up and ask and learn what was expected of you and did whatever the hell you wanted. Lastly, because you weren't prepared gear-wise, mental-attitude-wise, rule-reading-wise, or expectations-wise, you had a shitty time and want to blame it on the event organizers.
Seems pretty clear to me. Glad you're not returning frankly.
Again, I had a blast, but then I respected the event and my fellow paying players enough to be prepared.
Rumor is, next year the civilians and contractors will be invite-only.
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Post by Fox on Aug 24, 2010 10:08:08 GMT -5
Your right. What the hell where we thinking that a contractor might actually get contracted out by each side. God I'm such a fucking idiot! It makes no difference that a player who has been to all seven Blind Fury events said that BF7 was the worst one that was put on. And just because there is only 2 people voicing their opinions of the event here on an MI forum doesn't mean that we are the only ones with an issue. There were 7 of us in the group that weren't happy, and 7 out of 20ish Civilian/Contractors is a good chunk of dissatisfied players.
I'm glad Tan and Green had such a good time thats great, contractors might have had a better time if both the Green and Tan teams wouldn't have been dicks about it. Green had no excuse, Tan had a small one seeing as the rumor mole said that one unit of contractors (also rumored to be the strikers group) ran in and played friendly then shot up the Tan CO and a group of guys putting a bit of a strain on relations there.
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Post by Viper on Aug 24, 2010 10:53:31 GMT -5
Tan was working quite a bit with contractors at the end. In fact they paid the contractors for the cartographer, which is on film, right before the battle in Browntown.
But that isn't the point. If you wanted to play, pick a side and play. If you wanted to enhance the game by role playing, (either a Civie or a Contractor) then do that. But if you don't know background on the faction maybe you shouldn't play as them or read up on it. BF6 had civies turn on Tan, so in 7 the standing orders for Tan were to shoot civies on sight.
Regardless the event is done so we can all just move on.
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Post by Fox on Aug 24, 2010 11:52:50 GMT -5
All in all, my biggest gripe is that we were going to play the part of a contractor to a T. However, green didn't want our help, and when we decided that we would go see if Tan needed some help or to buy us out we got shot and told that Tan was killing civilian and contractors on site. We would have jumped at the opportunity to be a deceptive and play both sides of the field, we just weren't allowed to fill that role.
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Post by Gunny87 on Aug 24, 2010 12:13:47 GMT -5
All in all, my biggest gripe is that we were going to play the part of a contractor to a T. However, green didn't want our help, and when we decided that we would go see if Tan needed some help or to buy us out we got shot and told that Tan was killing civilian and contractors on site. We would have jumped at the opportunity to be a deceptive and play both sides of the field, we just weren't allowed to fill that role. That I could definitely understand. I remember seeing the contractor/civilian team aiding green earlier in the day when our airfield was under attack by tan. That's when I ran into Mopedman and SCAR. Then when tan kidnapped/captured the mayor and took control of Gold City even though I wasn't ordered by my command to do anything regarding it I took it upon my own to take my platoon and roll with SCAR to help liberate the city. Which our efforts aided and didn't totally secure the city at the time we went, but shortly after we left, we had hear that the civilian/contractors regained control. I know according to the storyline, the Western Forces (green) were supposed to help the civilian population be liberated from the Eastern Force's (tan) oppression. Then the Western Forces were supposed to give control back to the civilian population of "Kiergerland". Which you would have thought there would have been better tensions between the two sides and there woul have been more of a comradery more so between the civilians and the green. However I can understand why green had distrusted the civilian/contractors because halfway though the game when both were on the same side, a bunch of green players (including one medic from my platoon) ended up getting captured by one of the contractor teams so from there on out we were suspicious of the civilian population. But we didn't shoot them on sight like tan. However that was all fun and part of the game so it didnt' personally bother me. All in all, the civilian/contractor teams definitely got the short end of the straw in that game.
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