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Post by recon337 on Aug 1, 2010 9:13:54 GMT -5
I was wondering if it would be possible to get a full metal stock for my UTG L96. I basically figure that if I replace the plastic stock on the UTG for a metal one and personally fix all of the manufacturing defects, that I could convert the UTG to basically being the quality of a Maruzen Type 96. Other than the full metal stock and having very well made internals there seems to be no difference between the two.
What I would like to know is if A: It would be possible to buy a full metal stock that can connect to a UTG barrel assembly. B: How much it would cost around. C: Where can I get it.
If this is possible just buying a stock and doing some maintenance work myself seems a lot cheaper than to go buy a whole new Maruzen L96 for around $500. When your in college saving money is always a good thing ;D. Thanks for any help that can be given.
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Post by a1 (Babez) on Aug 1, 2010 10:19:03 GMT -5
I don't think they even exist dude. Even then, I think the Maruzen has a polymer body too. None the less, the AWP Real Steel L96 has a polymer body.
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Post by recon337 on Aug 1, 2010 10:34:39 GMT -5
Really? I could of sworn that the maruzen had a metal stock. Then the only difference between the UTG clone and the actual maruzen is the quality control and the quality of the internals and materials?
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Post by kustom on Aug 1, 2010 10:53:41 GMT -5
Pretty much, and the Maruzen version is made to spec with aftermarket parts, with a lot of clones you have these "proprietary" designs, emaning they didn't copy everything right, and shit don't fit.
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Post by recon337 on Aug 1, 2010 10:58:36 GMT -5
So I would basically just have to swap out the internals for higher quality metals and make sure everything is where it should be and then I would have the quality of a maruzen. Wow thats a lot easier than I thought it would be. I was originally expecting to have to do a lot more work.
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Post by BoredKender on Aug 1, 2010 10:58:42 GMT -5
The Maruzen is metal framed on the inside (the receiver being the only real "inside").
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Post by fuzzywolly on Aug 1, 2010 11:07:48 GMT -5
Upgrading a clone and the maruzen with the same internals will make both rifles perform exactly the same. If every part inside is replaced with lets say laylax parts, then obviously both will shoot the same. However, the maruzen offers a lot over the clone. A stronger stock, bolt handle, barrel, and other externals are far superior of the clone rifles. Same with the stock internals as well. However, if you plan on buying a clone rifle such as the mk96, and replace every internal, it will shoot just as well as a fully upgraded maruzen. Its just a matter of having to deal with a "toyish" stock, which is present with the clone rifle (mk96). Not a big deal to me, as I have found the rifle (mk96) to hold up fairly well.
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Post by recon337 on Aug 1, 2010 11:12:24 GMT -5
Yes but so is the UTG. I'm basically trying to convert my UTG to being a stock Maruzen so I that I will have a good base sniper to work from.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Aug 1, 2010 11:13:00 GMT -5
The mk96 is the UTG version. Why spend all the time converting to maruzen internals when you could just spend the money on the upgrades meant for the maruzen. Most snipers like to buy upgrades for their rifle to handle a heavier spring/ make it perform better, and only have their rifle with stock parts for alittle while, regardless if its a clone or high grade rifle.
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Post by triggs on Aug 1, 2010 11:18:46 GMT -5
So I would basically just have to swap out the internals for higher quality metals and make sure everything is where it should be and then I would have the quality of a maruzen. Wow thats a lot easier than I thought it would be. I was originally expecting to have to do a lot more work. You certainly won't have the quality of a Maruzen, nor the re-sale value of a Maruzen. You will however, have a rifle that shoots virtually the same as an identically upgraded Maruzen, but it still will not be a Maruzen. Don't expect this to be easy, or cheap. You are looking at close to $1000 dollars to completely upgrade the UTG or Maruzen. Then there is fitting and testing parts to make sure they perform at their maximum potential. There is no way (or really a reason) to convert a stock UTG L96 to be like a stock Maruzen. You really end up starting with one or the other, and upgrading it with aftermarket parts for maximum potential range and accuracy. Truth be told, no sniper rifle, Maruzen, UTG, Tanaka, etc. is great out of the box, their maximum ranges are no better than a stock AEG. The only difference is you have a slower fire rate due to the bolt action, instead of semi or full automatic. As far as airsoft is concerned, bolt-actions have the most disadvantage at virtually any game, the action is too far fast-paced to make a sniper rifle effective, and the ranges of a bolt-action barely exceed the ranges of AEG's.
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Post by recon337 on Aug 1, 2010 11:20:05 GMT -5
Thats what I'm planning on doing as well. What I'm trying to do at the moment though is make sure that the current externals and internals will hold up to continuous use and higher powered springs which is why I wanted to get my UTG up to a stock Maruzen status. Once I reach the equivalent durability then I will begin to actually upgrade the rifle to being more powerful and more accurate.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Aug 1, 2010 11:23:07 GMT -5
Why not just ditch the power upgrades for now, and work on the accuracy part such as a tightbore barrel, new hop up, and bucking, etc. There should be no need for a spring upgrade, which means a durability upgrade is not necessary for now. I would know, I have been using my rifle for some time, and there is no need for a new spring for power.
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Post by triggs on Aug 1, 2010 11:25:11 GMT -5
As noted, any stock sniper rifle, it doesn't matter what brand, the internals do not hold up to high power. Not UTG, not Maruzen, not any company.
You will spend a lot of money and time buying aftermarket upgrades (such as Laylax) for any sniper rifle and any brand.
Yes the UTG has lower quality internals and externals, but when you start upgrading internals, the Maruzen and UTG are the exact same starting point. As far as the externals, you probably will never get the UTG to feel like a Maruzen.
It sounds like you should just throw away the UTG and get a Maruzen, keep things simple. And before it's brought up, being an airsoft sniper is NOT cheap. The initial investment is expensive, but the upgrades and replacements and labor are even more expensive.
As fuzzy stated a tightbore and hopup are the most important. FPS does not mean more accuracy, and virtually any extra range. You can have a rifle shooting 280FPS hitting the same targets at long distances as a 480FPS rifle if you have a proper hopup and tightbore barrel.
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Post by recon337 on Aug 1, 2010 11:38:49 GMT -5
Triggs,
I understand all that and I know the difficulty with using a bolt action sniper rifle. I personally just enjoy using bolt action rifle because it's a long time working progress that I can have fun with. Plus I greatly enjoy the simplicity of them and how I can silently take people out even if they have a much more useful gun than mine. Sniping is a challenge and it's one that I like to overcome.
That being said I appreciate you trying to help but it's information that has been stated many times and I know all to well.
Fuzzy,
I agree the thing already has plenty of power. My gun chronoed yesterday at 438fps with .28 bbs and that was with literally no modifications to the gun other than fixing some mechanical issues. The UTG I have also came stock with a 6.02 tightbore barrel so I don't really have a need to change that though increasing the barrel length may be useful. As far as I have seen my hop up will also suffice for now. I want the durability upgrades because I would be greatly saddened if something died in the middle of one of my games kind of like it did yesterday. Fortunantly there was an airsoft tech at the field who helped me fix my problem.
Anyways we have gone a bit off topic. Do you know of any good durability upgrades I could buy for the UTG? I am already planning on buying a real steel bolt because mine was chewed up from a loose part inside it.
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Post by a1 (Babez) on Aug 1, 2010 13:31:32 GMT -5
It sounds like you should just throw away the UTG and get a Maruzen, keep things simple. And before it's brought up, being an airsoft sniper is NOT cheap. The initial investment is expensive, but the upgrades and replacements and labor are even more expensive. If one thing is true, it is that clone sniper rifles actually are crap when compared to other high end ones. They break too easily. From experiance I have concluded that. With the money you would spend on upgrading a UTG, you could keep instead, sell the replica, then splurge on a stock maruzen and work from there.
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