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Post by BoredKender on May 24, 2010 0:54:03 GMT -5
It's just another rebrand of the UTG/WELL L96.
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Post by Яoman on May 24, 2010 6:43:09 GMT -5
Its a clone of the Maruzen APS2 SR-2. Like Kender said its a UTG/Well Clone.
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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on May 24, 2010 9:21:52 GMT -5
It's just another clone meant to attract attention of newbs and noobs. Gas is still king with makers like Tanaka.
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Post by BoredKender on May 24, 2010 15:26:37 GMT -5
Anything with WELL/UTG/E1/JG/KART/DBOYS as a name is a clone, most out of the same factory and rebranded with slightly different "upgrades"
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Post by Яoman on May 26, 2010 0:44:35 GMT -5
The only difference between some of them, such as E1 and UTG, is the customer support and warranty situations. It is exactly like BK is telling it.
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Post by easy1 on May 28, 2010 12:26:00 GMT -5
It may be clone, but Echo's products are getting to be more than noob guns. The ASR, has a lot of decent upgrades available( left hand bolt, power upgrade to 480fps, an actual bearing spring guide, and madbull makes a replacement barrel 6.01mm). Not trying to push Echo1's products, but they are offering a lot more than what Well and UTG are putting out.
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Post by BoredKender on May 28, 2010 13:16:07 GMT -5
Easy, all sniper platforms have upgrades available, and the better ones can handle more than 480fps easily. I don't see how your statement holds any credit to E1 to be honest with you.
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Post by Tollis on Jun 1, 2010 18:29:34 GMT -5
No it isn't, because it isn't a good gun. They posted like 3 times in this thread that UTG and Well guns suck. You should read before you post this.
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Post by Knief on Jun 4, 2010 20:35:21 GMT -5
Ghost,
That's not an acceptable post. If you're not going to help the poster, just don't reply. Another one like that from you and you'll get a warning.
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Post by a1 (Babez) on Jun 4, 2010 21:49:36 GMT -5
A freind and I have plinked with a JG bar-10 before, and hitting 200 ft of range using .2's fully stock. If you use higher gram bb's, with stock, you could expect <200 ft of effective range. It's a clone, so It would be a good idea to invest in upgrades to make an "affective" sniper rifle. Or purchase a more higher-end sniper rifle like a tanaka, or Marui. The JG bar is the only clone sniper rifle I would consider buying, it being at the start of my "worth buying" spectrum.
I don't know what Ghost "I have nothing else to say'd" about.
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Post by Tollis on Jun 10, 2010 11:58:59 GMT -5
No it isn't, it would not be able to hold up to a high FPS setup.
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Post by redknight on Jun 10, 2010 22:09:59 GMT -5
My UTG M324 got me accused of cheating when I popped Livonia with it, after I dropped in the upgrade kit and a 500+ spring from Evike. It hit way harder and way farther than some folks expected, well past 200 feet and shooting at 505 fps when it was chronoed. The spring settles on one of the guns I owned and the trigger broke on the other... laylax parts were the only available replacement/upgrade but required quite a bit of machining to get them to fit properly. I found that I had to crank the hopup almost ot full to throw the .4s accurately but it hit further. I have since replaced the hopup bucking once due to wear. If I had it to do all over again I may or may not have bought the rifle seeing how much I had to put into it to make it work. The trigger can hold a 500 spring, but it could also break just as well. My first m324 still works great barring the hopup bucking I have to replace, the other required lots of work to repair the trigger sear.
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Post by Livonia on Jun 10, 2010 23:30:32 GMT -5
No spring rifles trigger will hold up for more than a year at 500fps. Maruzen's plastic trigger housings break and VSR's trigger sear breaks. Classic Army's M24's trigger mount screws strip. No rifle is perfect.
Redknight, You're very fortunate you shot me in the chest. Its 505fps, using .40's, and you hit me across a short river. Bolt actions aren't allowed on the island any longer because its too dangerous, which is where you shot me from. I would never have taken a shot like that, or use anything heavier than a .36 especially at such short range.
I'm very surprised you brought up this incident, and took a bunch of anger out on kids, it's not your first time doing that either. You shot me from barely legal limit, with heavier than normal BB's. You know that will hurt someone, and to me is irresponsible. I thought you would know better than a kid, especially being a police officer. I have owned bolt actions for six years now, I know what it feels to be shot by them, no reason to unleash because of an accusation.
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Post by Kiki on Jun 11, 2010 0:56:13 GMT -5
Alright guys, no need to get personal here. Redknight, there's no reason to involve Livonia at this point. If you had simply said that your rifle had gotten you accused of cheating once (without pointing any fingers), that would be fine. But there's no reason to implicate that Livonia did anything wrong (because he didn't).
Now let's move on like adults and stay on topic.
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Post by Knief on Jun 11, 2010 6:59:32 GMT -5
Redknight, have a warning for flame baiting. It's your third, so you're gone for a week. If you have a problem with it, you can send me a PM when you return in a week.
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