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Post by zach on Apr 27, 2010 14:48:53 GMT -5
I was wondering which goggle is better. The Arena FlakJak or the G&P OEF USMC Goggle.
What I mean by "better" is do they fog? Is the plastic on the goggle cheap and fall off. Is the color bad? Does the elastic wear and brake? I know there only $25 but that doesn't mean I want a $25 waste.
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Post by billatron on Apr 27, 2010 14:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Apr 27, 2010 15:35:06 GMT -5
You can get Flakjaks for $15 on goggleoverstock.com. I got two pair to loan out for $33 shipped.
There's nothing wrong with Flakjaks, except that the cheap ones only come in tan.
Once you take out the razor vents on top and bottom the Flakjaks don't fog up as much.
You can also get real Bolle T-800s from Botach tactical.
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Post by Knief on Apr 27, 2010 15:53:32 GMT -5
Of course, once you take out the vents on the Flakjaks, they're no longer full seal, as the gap is easily big enough to allow a bb through. A lot of events won't stop you from using them, but some will (including at Hellfish events). They're unsafe, and I don't know how we, as a community, have let that slide for so long.
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Post by Ike on Apr 27, 2010 19:47:54 GMT -5
Knief makes a good point, and it's one reason that I no longer use mine.
I'll second Kilo's suggestion to go with Bolle. Right now I use Bolle X500s, and they're great. I've never had any fogging at all, and they're much more comfortable than my Flakjaks were. I'd highly recommend them if you need a quality pair of goggles on a budget. I have no reason to doubt that the T800s would perform any differently, the X500s are simply a larger frame model, presumably for those who wear glasses (although I don't).
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Post by Knief on Apr 27, 2010 21:17:14 GMT -5
I own the T-800s and they're pretty amazing. When I do occasionally get some fogging, I just walk around and it's gone. The ventilation on them is amazing. If you're moving at all, they won't fog.
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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Apr 27, 2010 22:15:00 GMT -5
I picked up the Flakjak tip from a Hellfish member. While the space is hardly larger than a 6mm bb, and would require rediculous angles to enter with any energy I can see your point.
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Post by Thor on Apr 27, 2010 22:39:33 GMT -5
ESS Turbofans. Can be had for less than $36 shipped on RSOV express right now. And I don't care what anyone says, I am 99% convinced that they are the real deal.
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Post by Knife on Apr 28, 2010 2:05:48 GMT -5
If you really like those G&P OEF goggles, go onto ebay and look for ESS NVG or ESS Profile. The G&P ones look to be a knockoff of those. I've got a real pair of ESS Profile and they're just dandy. I think I paid like, $25ish for them but I didn't try and hunt out a deal. I'm sure you could get them for less.
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Post by Kurt 19D on Apr 28, 2010 4:47:57 GMT -5
Of course, once you take out the vents on the Flakjaks, they're no longer full seal, as the gap is easily big enough to allow a bb through. A lot of events won't stop you from using them, but some will (including at Hellfish events). They're unsafe, and I don't know how we, as a community, have let that slide for so long. I have always thought about this as well. However a thin piece of foam is not going to do anything to slow down a BB. So the danger is there either way.
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Post by Kiki on Apr 28, 2010 8:41:19 GMT -5
Kurt, it's not actually a thin piece of foam. On the Flakjaks there are black plastic vents that can be removed (which is what the discussion is about), and I'm pretty sure they would do a good job of stopping a bb.
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Post by Talisman on Apr 28, 2010 9:36:38 GMT -5
I wear Bolle T-800s, and I've literally had sweat/humidity dripping down the front of my goggles w/out ever fogging. Only instance of fogging I ever got is when it was cold out, I was hot as hell from running my ass off, and I was laying in a foxhole. Then I moved my head and it cleared =p
Buy a pair, you wont be dissapointed.
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Post by Kurt 19D on Apr 28, 2010 10:43:53 GMT -5
Kurt, it's not actually a thin piece of foam. On the Flakjaks there are black plastic vents that can be removed (which is what the discussion is about), and I'm pretty sure they would do a good job of stopping a bb. I'm with you now. I was trying to relate to what was mentioned with the Oakleys that I wear.
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Post by cqbr on Apr 28, 2010 10:49:43 GMT -5
ESS Turbofans. Can be had for less than $36 shipped on RSOV express right now. And I don't care what anyone says, I am 99% convinced that they are the real deal. Yep, they are dude. My buddy just got another 5 sets in. All have the Hang Tags and same SKU #'s as the ESS. (Plus a bunch of other exact matches)
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Post by zach on Apr 28, 2010 14:55:17 GMT -5
Im really liking the ESS Profile NVG goggles and on ebay there letting them go for around $20. Ill still take the T-800s into consideration though. Has anybody had problems with the lenses coming off the Bolles?
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