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Post by aaron2269 on Apr 8, 2010 22:27:32 GMT -5
Don't know if this was posted before but KWA is the OEM Manufacturer for KSC they are so closely related because they work together. They are a team, KSC makes guns mainly for the Japanese market and KWA makes guns for the rest of the world. Most KSC guns only run on 134a but some all metal models have been produced to run on green gas. KWA has some guns that only they manufacture and so does KSC. That is their relationship KWA is not a clone company.
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Post by Knief on Apr 9, 2010 6:00:58 GMT -5
Can you show us any documented proof of this relationship? In my eight years of searching, I have yet to see any.
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Post by Hatemonger on Apr 9, 2010 8:26:51 GMT -5
From a forum on KWA's website. Upon being asked if KSC parts are compatible with KWA guns a KWA staff member replied:
"Although we are one of the OEM manufactures for KSC, we can't guarantee 100% compatibility because of different product and performance specs."
I also stumbled across a similar statement, I think it was on ASC, by another KWA staff member saying basically the same thing.
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Post by Knief on Apr 9, 2010 8:29:09 GMT -5
KWA also used to claim that they were import friendly WAs. DumboRAT (who most of you probably don't remember, but the dude was epic) emailed WA about that, and it turns out that WA actually had a law suit pending against KWA.
I'm not saying that what you're saying is necessarily wrong, but that I don't trust what some guy who claims to work for KWA says on a forum.
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Post by Hatemonger on Apr 9, 2010 8:34:12 GMT -5
I'm not saying that what you're saying is necessarily wrong, but that I don't trust what some guy who claims to work for KWA says on a forum. What I quoted was from a KWA staff member on the KWA website, whether or not he is telling the truth is another matter.
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Post by aaron2269 on Apr 9, 2010 9:44:03 GMT -5
Thats where I recieced my info too. It kinda makes sense though.
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Post by Mles on Apr 9, 2010 10:32:58 GMT -5
I'd like to keep the KWA vs. KSC stuff out of this thread.
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Post by BoredKender on Apr 9, 2010 11:23:14 GMT -5
I'd like to keep the KWA vs. KSC stuff out of this thread. This. Every time it is brought up, it gets debated into the ground and STILL never resolved as there is no concrete proof one way or the other.
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Post by aaron2269 on Apr 13, 2010 16:54:56 GMT -5
I don't think it realy matters anyway, but they both are good companys and put out good products I think we can all agree on that.
But on a different subject, I can put Butane into a GBB gun that seems pretty awsome and would work good during the winter if it actually is stronger than propane.
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Post by Thor on Apr 13, 2010 19:55:20 GMT -5
Seems like someone tried butane before, and it worked terrible. Something to do with how quick it starts to cool down and the pressure it is liquefied at.
There's a good reason why the three gasses for GBB's are 134a, propane and CO2.
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Post by Dahm on Apr 14, 2010 11:01:46 GMT -5
I don't think it realy matters anyway, but they both are good companys and put out good products I think we can all agree on that. But on a different subject, I can put Butane into a GBB gun that seems pretty awsome and would work good during the winter if it actually is stronger than propane. As Thor summed up, just because its different doesn't mean it should be used. To use a different kind of gas, you need to understand its composition, the temperature in which it enters a completely liquid state, a two-phase state, and a pure gaseous state. Those numbers can be found in Thermodynamics textsbooks and if you really want them, I can get them for you but unless you have some good equipment to test temperatures and cooldown times with, they're not going to do you very much good.
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Post by Milton on Apr 14, 2010 13:45:59 GMT -5
I don't think it realy matters anyway, but they both are good companys and put out good products I think we can all agree on that. But on a different subject, I can put Butane into a GBB gun that seems pretty awsome and would work good during the winter if it actually is stronger than propane. As Thor summed up, just because its different doesn't mean it should be used. To use a different kind of gas, you need to understand its composition, the temperature in which it enters a completely liquid state, a two-phase state, and a pure gaseous state. Those numbers can be found in Thermodynamics textsbooks and if you really want them, I can get them for you but unless you have some good equipment to test temperatures and cooldown times with, they're not going to do you very much good. Gas guns are a type of chemistry. Found this on butane gas pressure en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butane_(data_page)got to vapor pressure any person who has taken a chem class should be able to figure it out.
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Post by Kiki on Apr 14, 2010 14:22:20 GMT -5
As Thor summed up, just because its different doesn't mean it should be used. To use a different kind of gas, you need to understand its composition, the temperature in which it enters a completely liquid state, a two-phase state, and a pure gaseous state. Those numbers can be found in Thermodynamics textsbooks and if you really want them, I can get them for you but unless you have some good equipment to test temperatures and cooldown times with, they're not going to do you very much good. Gas guns are a type of chemistry. Found this on butane gas pressure en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butane_(data_page)got to vapor pressure any person who has taken a chem class should be able to figure it out. I have nothing else to say, "gas guns are a type of chemistry"? What does that even mean? If you want to understand whether you can use butane in your GBB or not, then a Thermodynamics class will help more than a Chemistry class will. Whether you can use it or not depends on the thermodynamic properties of the gas and how it changes, not upon the pure chemistry. I'd have to know more about how GBB's actually work, but as I understand it the expansion of the liquid to a gas is what propels your bb. Obviously, if you can't meet the conditions to get a proper phase change within the gun, then that gas won't work (or won't work as well). It's more complicated than that, but I've got better things to do.
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Post by aaron2269 on Apr 14, 2010 16:19:15 GMT -5
I was just wondering since Butane is in the powerfull gas section. It doesent make much sense, a lot of forums say its a weak gas, I have never used it.
I think the creator of the thread needs to edit the post because butane is a weak gas.
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Post by Knief on Apr 14, 2010 16:58:02 GMT -5
Butane is in what "powerful gas" section?
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