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Post by Blag on Jan 19, 2010 13:15:16 GMT -5
I'm glad that some of you are unpretentious about your lack of sympathy for the plight of others. You think people want to live in a poor area with terrible building codes and abject poverty? What gives us the right to live so well? Just as we're born into privilege, they're born into poverty. Shit happens, yeah, but maybe we should contribute to improving the human condition. You said it great, Psy.
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Post by grif264(Alex) on Jan 19, 2010 15:22:58 GMT -5
Sure wounded warrior and any money contributed to detroit is great but the people in Hati are poor to begin wit not that a massive earth quake comes through there pretty much fucked on their own. They need our help.
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Post by S-17 on Jan 19, 2010 16:05:30 GMT -5
So a poor country builds up on a fault line. Has an earthquake, their shacks fall over and we have to donate a ton of money? I don't think so. There are plenty of other things I'd rather donate to. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that everyone was so selfish. Forget I asked.
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Post by Gestapo on Jan 20, 2010 0:29:46 GMT -5
And it's funny how some of you actually act like you care. Psychosis, Sadly you're looking for humanity in a place where it's becoming an increasingly rare commodity. This forum is getting sad. And what % of your income do YOU give to people that don't give a shit about you? This whole "take care of everyone else' needs before ours" crap is what's ruining our country already. How about we help OUR 700,000 homeless people first. Maybe the people who are still homeless from Katrina?
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Post by Gyro on Jan 20, 2010 1:07:49 GMT -5
Yeah but the homeless here have countless oppurtunities to make it through in life. They had there chance and fucked it up. Im its fucking America. Millions would kill for the oppurtunity to be in this country legally and have all the doorways to take in life that Americans have.
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Post by Gestapo on Jan 20, 2010 1:14:02 GMT -5
It doesn't change the fact that they are Americans first, not to mention, a large portion of homeless are single mothers.
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Post by Blag on Jan 20, 2010 1:18:40 GMT -5
The 700,000 homeless people in our county aren't trapped under concrete, stuck and can't be freed because there aren't supplies to cut the brick. They are not using metal hack saws to amputee their legs so the infections don't spread through their body and kill them.
It's not about donating money at this moment to rebuild the homes, it's about getting supplies and doctors to dieing humans. Humans who do not have to die if they have the supplies needed.
I am not saying people should donate, I personally don't give a crap if you never donate to a thing in your life. That's your decision, I am just saying the money going to Haiti isn't for simple things like cloths and shoes, it is for saving human lives.
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Post by bluecwsoldier3 "Blue" on Jan 20, 2010 9:58:48 GMT -5
I guess in reading this I kinda wonder a few things, this topic has seemed to digress from figuring out if there is any interests in an event to talking about our desire or lack of desire to support people in need. If we are blessed than it is right that we should help people in need, is sort of my opinion, but anyway that aside. I am wondering how many of you have been to a third world country. I have been, and most of the people there have no choice about how they live. That was where they were born, and even those that have legit jobs don't make enough money to better themselves, while the average homeless person in the States is usually put there by something stupid they did to themselves. And last point, I do have to agree with whoever said that it doesn't really matter where the money is going, we are just there to play airsoft, and that is the truth of it. If the money goes to a good cause great, if not, then well this is my hobby, and it is an expense that I have chosen for better or worse to use on something that I enjoy, not because I want to donate to a charity.
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Post by Knief on Jan 20, 2010 10:06:09 GMT -5
I don't have a large enough income to donate anything that you could call a percentage of my income. I did, however, empty my wallet, which contained $30, when the fundraiser went around my work. And I gave $100 to Hurricane Katrina fundraisers. Whether they give a shit about me or not, I give a shit about them. I'm a citizen of the world first, and a citizen of America second. Not the other way around.
According to the 2006 US census, there are roughly 226,000,000 Americans above the age of 18. Say that 1/3 of those live in poverty and couldn't spare $20 without risking going hungry. The number is probably smaller, but that's ok. That leaves 151,420,000 Americans who could reasonably spare $20 and not have it make a big impact on their lives. Most could probably give it up without making any changes, and maybe some would have to drink water instead of pop for a week, or smoke a few less cigarettes. But still, if each of those people gave $20, we'd be able to raise $3,028,400,000 for whatever cause or causes we had. And there are plenty of Americans who regularly give hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to charitable causes. That's a lot of rebuilding in New Orleans, or Haiti, or wherever else a natural disaster might strike. And I don't know about you, but I could spare $20 a year to go toward whoever gets hit the hardest that year.
There's plenty of money out there to help improve the human condition all over the world. There just isn't enough desire to do so.
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Post by bluecwsoldier3 "Blue" on Jan 20, 2010 15:34:18 GMT -5
I like what Knief said, I would say that I love my country first though. Don't always agree with what we do, or is done by the leadership (it might take me looking back to before I was born to find a president that was a good president) But I definitely agree with the statement that there is plenty of money here to help whoever needs the help, but there is not the desire to do so. Really sad. If it means anything I would play a game that the money is going to Haiti, they need the help. So if it fits my schedule and it is close enough to home I would play.
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Post by Deadpocketss on Jan 20, 2010 23:28:05 GMT -5
Sure I'm a bit harsh about it but, we've reportedly donated over 100mil in one week to Haiti. What about the US? We have a ton of people in poverty and we aren't doing much about it? I'd rather give some guy barely getting enough food each week in the US $20 then give it away to some Haitan. I mean, so the media exploits the earthquake to get their ratings up or a celebrity to get people to think more of them and we all jump on board? The issue with most people in the US is that they are only after their own personal interest. They don't care enough for the condition of the people around them or their country. I mean, as Knief said; $3,028,400,000 should be enough to end poverty in the US. If it costs more than that, something is seriously wrong. We should be able to end it in the US and have some left over for the Haitans. Sure the Haitans have to rebuild everything, there are other countries on this planet, I mean it's reported that China has only donated some $1,000,000 to Haiti. With their population size, if everyone donated $5 they could give more than the US could. China's population in 2008: 1,325,639,982 5 * 1,325,639,982 = 6,628,199,910 5 USD = 34 Yuan 5 Yuan = .73 USD .73 * 1,325,639,982 = 967,717,187 Whatever way you put it, donating 5 USD or 5 Yuan. That's still more money than they are putting out. China isn't the only country too, that's just the one I've heard of.
tl;dr What I'm saying is that we need to look after our own country first and that we aren't the only country with the ability to aide these people.
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Post by Canto on Jan 21, 2010 1:24:02 GMT -5
Ok, this is turning into a giant pissing match between people. I'm going to lock this now... I think we can all agree on one thing here: "There are people who live in poverty in the world." We all have our reasons for giving or not giving, donating or not donating. I knew this was going to be a hot topic here... Agree to disagree fellas? Mods who are higher than me on the food chain, if you feel this topic should be unlocked, please do so.
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