Durability Test - Mesh Masks

[Tex]

I actually feel you guys are foolish for wearing the mesh goggles. I too gave them a whirl for the anti-fog sake. But I realized after a gust of wind and dust in my eyes that I was in fact, being a moron. My eyes are worth way too much to me to use mesh. "Titanium" (I have nothing else to say) or not.

If I had it my way, I wouldn't allow them either, and actually we're not supposed to, they don't full seal. But I've had a hard time enforcing that rule it seems. Safety > Comfort...

[JihadJake]

Plus i would think that anything powerful enough to put dents in a mask wouldn't be allowed on the field for one, and you testing at a ridiculously unrealistic range. Someone isn't gonna shoot you in the face from like point blank with a high powered sniper rifle.

[redalert]

I definitely would never use mesh goggles. According to this site cybersloth.org/airsoft/trajectory/index.htm it would take even a .2 g bb shot at 325 fps around 65 feet to slow down to 150 fps. Granted a .12 g would slow down faster judging by the graphs it would maybe take at most 10-15 less feet.

[Mosin]

jdl9th said:

Your opinion here is about as valid as all of those noob snipers you like to put down when they talk about how good their utg L96 is. You're just plain wrong, and that's really all there is to it.

Knief, call it wrong all you like. These mesh goggles are woven a lot tighter than the ones you have seen in the pictures. About twice as tight, to be exact.

I'm not even going to explain about events and ways this stuff could happen (Me taking rounds to the face) but plain and simple is this. Call me wrong all day, I've actually been shot in the mesh with these twice on the MOA field, once at my buddies field. They were using .2's of whatever, and I've yet to see a fragment. Also, Livonia, who has been using his for about as long as he's been in the sport mind you, has yet to receive any sort of debris in his eyes either.

The way mine are woven, they give about enough flex for.. Maybe 1/16th of a bb, the ones pictured give room for about 1/4th of a bb. So with mine being woven three times tighter, being made out of a stronger material, and not allowing much more than air going through, I'll take my chances.

Call me wrong for using them all day, I'll still use them as much as I can. Also Psychosis, I do have a pair of Oakley ballistic goggles coming in from www.usstandardissue.com . So I should have those in time for the next MOA game, reguardless of that.. If things get foggy, I'm switching back to the mesh, and I don't think anyone will have a problem with it. If they do, I'll personally attach a baggy and tell them to hose it, and see what happens.

[Zorak]

mosin said:

Call me wrong for using them all day, I'll still use them as much as I can. Also Psychosis, I do have a pair of Oakley ballistic goggles coming in from www.usstandardissue.com . So I should have those in time for the next MOA game, reguardless of that.. If things get foggy, I'm switching back to the mesh, and I don't think anyone will have a problem with it. If they do, I'll personally attach a baggy and tell them to hose it, and see what happens.

You know why I'm so sick of your bullshit?

mosin said:

as a sniper, that carries around a good accumulation of gear, as well as having it under pretty much a big coat and snowpants, I can't tell you how hot it gets in those, even thermal goggles just can't hold up to the body heat produced from me in a ghillie suit.

You'd rather risk your eyes and all the complications of a safety incident than ditch some of that "great accumulation of gear." That's why I think this is all about your ego, and it's why I have no respect for your opinion whatsoever.

Anyway, fine. Play with mesh goggles wherever you're allowed. But stop wasting our time with your prattling on about them. Nobody who takes safety seriously cares.

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zorak said:

Nobody who takes safety seriously cares.

They're unsafe, end of story.

[O'Dwah]

Fo sho, I have the same goggles and did a point blank test on them a while ago. Made a large dent and cracked the mesh.

I didn't get any shards or anything of that sort, and I really didn't think about them being unsafe then, as it was a pointblank rifle shot. But after a while, I decided to do a few more tests.

I shot them point blank, multiple times with a .3 gram Flying Colours BB, at about 600fps(Strongest Spring). Results where this...

The goggles dented severely, but no cracks, also every single BB cracked in at least two pieces. I didn't catch any debris on the other side, but alas it wasn't a super in depth test.

I then shot the goggles from across my basement, each shot left a dent, same size as before. Although no shards.

This just screams bad to me, so from now on I'll be using my FlakJaks, which never fog anyways.

[Mles]

Why are people still using them, when they were obviously PROVEN to be unsafe, it just doesn't make sense. Do they only offer "no fog", why not spend the extra $50 on a good quality goggle that doesn't fog.

[Mosin]

Look, you think I have an Ego... Cool, I really don't give a shit. Everyone does. But I'm getting normal goggles anyways. I'm just saying.. I think this test doesn't apply to any goggles that are used today. I also did the same test as Oakey, only using my hallway as the measurement, I did find that the bb cracked, but I placed a grocery bag and saw absolutely no debris.

I honestly don't think they're unsafe, but I do think that they're a goggle system that someone who hits the frontlines, or is often in the firefight, should not wear.

Either way, like I said before.. I'm getting a pair of full seals (Another, because I put a goggle skin over my first pair) so I'll be using those as much as possible anyways.

..Seriously Zorak, next time just don't beat around the bush, if you find me as an egotistical asshole. Call it the first time around. I never once claim to have a "Great accumulation of gear", but that's cool if you don't care about my opinion. Because it's likewise over here.

As I said before, I'm going to wear them whenever and whereever I can, because I believe them to withhold for what I do, and still allow me to shoot and play my role effectively. Dealing with goggle fog is just something I'm sick of, and if I can just cut out the middle man, and go to something else, then I'll do it.

I'm done discussing this as well, I personally believe that the mesh goggles I own will do more than suffice for the job I play. If someone really is going to get that butthurt about it, then I'll throw on my Oakley pair, it's not really a big deal... I'm just trying to make a point.

The ones in the original test are spaced very widely, and they are nothing like the ones that I use. I believe this test should be redone using ones woven tighter. I would not condone wearing those loosely spaced ones such as the ones pictured in the first page, but the ones I have cut down the amount of actual open space by about 300%.

[Zorak]

mosin said:

..Seriously Zorak, next time just don't beat around the bush, if you find me as an egotistical asshole. Call it the first time around. I never once claim to have a "Great accumulation of gear", but that's cool if you don't care about my opinion. Because it's likewise over here.

Yes, I see that you actually said "good" and not "great". I think it's a fairly trivial difference. I didn't call you an egotistical asshole at first because I couldn't figure out why I was so irritated by you. Once I figured it out, I was much more comfortable.

One of the nice things about being a mod is that I can arrange to have the last word, unless the other mods decide I'm out of line. Let me demonstrate:

Mosin, you are wrong, and you should shut up about your mask immediately and forever.