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Post by pxranger on Jul 22, 2009 19:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by baycityairsoft on Jul 22, 2009 23:06:24 GMT -5
I would try a full metal aimpoint with a 3X magnifier. You can find them on ebay for like $90 with the 3X magnifier. But it al depends what this is going on a CQB rifle or a Marksmen rifle.
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Post by pxranger on Jul 23, 2009 5:17:48 GMT -5
It's going on an M-16.
Anyways, does somebody out there know something about Trilogy's ACOG?
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Post by Thor on Jul 23, 2009 8:43:07 GMT -5
Looks about the same as any other Chinese ACOG. All I can say is, try it out if you really want it. Some of them adjust fine, and some of them apparently won't adjust worth a damn.
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Post by Thor on Jul 23, 2009 9:04:37 GMT -5
I have nothing else to say, I didn't realize my words had such inflection. With Chinese knockoffs, the quality control isn't always there. So, a lot of times you get what you pay for, or worse, you don't. My guess is that it would probably work ok for what you want it for. Just bear in mind that all clone ACOGs seem to have eye relief that makes you put the scope at the back of your ocular cavity. If you can live with that, you're good.  |
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Post by pxranger on Jul 23, 2009 9:21:47 GMT -5
The way you say "Chinese" already scares me.  It's not so much wanting it, I'm trying to avoid the latter of what you said, if I do decide to get it. I'm also thinking about resale value. Maybe it's too new to get any useful info on it. *Ha, that other post got messed up! My connection is being crappy at this moment. Sorry Thor. **After reading your last post, I think I might go with something a little more reputable. No I don't like the thought of shoving an optic into my brain to see, I have nothing else to say. |
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Post by Zorak on Jul 23, 2009 9:27:31 GMT -5
Even the real 4x32 ACOGs have next to no eye relief.
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Post by pxranger on Jul 23, 2009 9:37:02 GMT -5
So tunnel vision inadvertently comes into play with an ACOG?
I seem to be screwed. I do like the thought of magnified sight, but I kind of don't want to trade that for too much loss of peripheral vision.
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Post by Kiki on Jul 23, 2009 9:42:03 GMT -5
Get an ACOG with a docter sight on top. That way you can still have the magnified sight when you need it, but if a target is close up you can quickly switch to a red dot for the kill. It won't fix the loss of peripheral vision or change the fact that to get the magnification you'll have to shove your face into the ACOG, but if you need quick target acquisition you can use the red dot.
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Post by pxranger on Jul 23, 2009 10:08:10 GMT -5
Alright, that doesn't sound too bad.
I've seen the doctor optics for ACOGs, but I wasn't aware of what kind of eye relief they (ACOGs) had.
Thanks fellas. You've been most helpful.
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Post by Zorak on Jul 23, 2009 11:55:45 GMT -5
So tunnel vision inadvertently comes into play with an ACOG? I seem to be screwed. I do like the thought of magnified sight, but I kind of don't want to trade that for too much loss of peripheral vision. Assuming your ACOG is illuminated and has a good reticle (big bright dot, chevron, donut, easy to see crosshairs), then it just takes a little practice to avoid tunnel vision. You keep the weapon low until you see your target, then bring the weapon to firing position while keeping both eyes open. If you do it right, your target will already be in your field of view through the scope, and it's a simple matter to refine your aim and engage the target. Once you've done so, you lower your weapon and return to using your eyes. Your weak side eye never closes, and your strong side eye's field of view is limited only for the duration of the engagement. The short eye relief of the ACOG only has two worrisome consequences. First, you have a narrow window where you have to mount it. Too far forward and you won't be able to see through it at all. Too far back and and you have to bend your neck and shoulder into a hithertoo unknown yoga position to see through it. Second, it's very intolerant of an unusual firing position. At the TFI milsim weekend, I accidentally put the butt of my L85 unusually close to the edge of my body, which brought the ACOG closer to my face. That meant that instead of neatly shoving the lens of my goggles into the rubber eyepiece cover of the ACOG, I shoved the top of the scope body into my goggle frame, and came very close to creating a safety problem on the field. After originally being a skeptic about magnified sights in airsoft, I've come to absolutely love the ACOG, but the short eye relief does complicate matters. If you do buy one, find a place in your house where you can practice, and spend some time picking an object and then putting the ACOG on it. Better yet, do some live fire drills somewhere. Either way, to get best use of the ACOG, you want to drill the proper motions into muscle memory. BCA recommended the use of a seperate magnifier, and I have to say that such setups are a lot easier to use. They offer greater eye relief, certainly, and with the right mount, a quick transition to unmagnified optics for close range engagements. On the other hand, they're bulky (since it's two tubes, not one), expensive, and not as bright as a good ACOG is. I have no specific knowledge of the replica ACOG in question, sadly. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 23, 2009 12:10:42 GMT -5
FYI though, to my knowledge the only illuminated reticule ACOGs are real ones. I've yet to see a clone one that was, but I could be wrong though.
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Post by cqbr on Jul 23, 2009 12:35:58 GMT -5
FYI though, to my knowledge the only illuminated reticule ACOGs are real ones. I've yet to see a clone one that was, but I could be wrong though. Nope your right Thor, nothing available at the moment. My buddy and I have been searching high and low for one the last year and nothing has come up. There was one guy on eBay that had TA-31 replicas with "Tritium" inside them, and they would change from black to white when over a dark target. I don't know what everyone is talking about with the bad eye relief thing. My TA31F-G has EXCELLENT eye relief and isn't a problem whether I have shooting glasses on or airsoft goggles. Granted the real ones have the BAC whereas the replicas don't, but all the replica ACOG's I've owned (I think 4 or 5) have all had eye relief that was more than enough for airsoft. |
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Post by Zorak on Jul 23, 2009 13:09:46 GMT -5
I obviously can't argue with you about the details of specific ACOGs, but I do want to nitpick the phrase "eye relief that was more than enough for airsoft." Unless there's a scope with so little eye relief that you couldn't use it with goggles on, I don't think the phrase really means anything. Real military folks are killing people every day using ACOGs, so clearly they work. You just have to be aware that some models, including the real ones, only work well in a specific location.
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Post by pxranger on Jul 23, 2009 17:52:57 GMT -5
In the end I think it comes down to what Zorak said, "it just takes a little practice to avoid tunnel vision".
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