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Post by jser on Apr 2, 2009 12:25:52 GMT -5
Hello,
I was wondering what your thoughts are on regular woodland vs MARPAT? Also what is generally the prices for a set of each(set including pants and jacket/shirt and maybe a hat. Thanks!
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Post by Zorak on Apr 2, 2009 12:45:13 GMT -5
MARPAT is better camo, but woodland is generally cheaper. My personal opinion is that unless you're part of a team that has a set standard uniform, every airsofter ought to own a set of basic US woodland BDUs. I've been to ops with uniform restrictions that wouldn't allow Multicam or MARPAT, but I've never heard of one that wouldn't let you in wearing woodland. US three-color desert is almost as universal, but it doesn't work as camo in most Michigan event sites.
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 2, 2009 12:51:49 GMT -5
Zorak nailed it.
Pretty much every Michigan airsoft event requires at least woodland BDU's as a camo requirement. So if you don't have them definitely get them. 2nd camo to at least have after woodland would be 3-color desert. Then go for MARPART, or ACU or whatever you desire, but if you have at least the two mentioned you're good to go at pretty much any airsoft event as far as camo requirements go.
Oh and it's pretty easy to get a full set of woodland camo BDU's for around $40.
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Post by SharpShooterXT on Apr 2, 2009 19:42:47 GMT -5
You can get some used woodland BDUs at Joe's Army Navy for fairly cheap.
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Post by 35mil on Apr 3, 2009 17:16:04 GMT -5
Honestly, the debate for which camo is more effective is up in the air, if thats purely what your looking to know. Marpat, being a digi pattern, is arguably more visable to the naked eye. It's designed to keep your eyes confused IF your wearing nightvision to view it! The idea is that nightvision runs off projecting a digitally manipulated version of the viewed area, the screen is made up in pixels (pixels are square). Really, for use in airsoft, the most effective woodland camo would be a hexagonal digi pattern, arranged in a wave-form style similar to traditional woodland pattern, because the eye intakes information in a shape similar to hexagons. Sadly, due to the lack of such a camo, I'd vote for traditional woodland pattern.
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 3, 2009 18:32:08 GMT -5
Honestly, the debate for which camo is more effective is up in the air, if thats purely what your looking to know. Marpat, being a digi pattern, is arguably more visable to the naked eye. It's designed to keep your eyes confused IF your wearing nightvision to view it! The idea is that nightvision runs off projecting a digitally manipulated version of the viewed area, the screen is made up in pixels (pixels are square). Really, for use in airsoft, the most effective woodland camo would be a hexagonal digi pattern, arranged in a wave-form style similar to traditional woodland pattern, because the eye intakes information in a shape similar to hexagons. Sadly, due to the lack of such a camo, I'd vote for traditional woodland pattern. yeah what he said... ;D
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Post by redknight on Apr 3, 2009 23:44:32 GMT -5
I would recommend against woodland only due to the large presence of black shapes which causes too much contrast in most environments which is why it was discarded by the US military in favor of Marpat, ABU and ACUs.. for better reference and relatively decent prices I would recommend checking this link at www.uspatriotstore.com/
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Post by Aztec Commando on Apr 4, 2009 0:31:46 GMT -5
I'd go with MARPAT, that is what I wear (check out my gallery post to see some pictures of it) and I wouldn't trade it for any other camo pattern. I play in mostly woodland settings, and MARPAT breaks your figure up really well, at least from my experience with it.
I personally got my set from a guy on here who had to get rid of it, and got real military issue MARPAT top and bottom for $25(total) shipped (a steal by any standard for real issue). Unless you come across such a deal as I got, you can expect to pay about $30-35 for either the top or bottom (so $70 for a full set), but that's the fake brand. The real issue is quite pricey as it is currently being used by the marines and there really isn't a whole lot of surplus of it going around. Just keep your eyes open, every once in a while a set of real MARPAT will show up in the commerce section, just know the size you need.
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 4, 2009 9:06:06 GMT -5
I definitely wouldn't argue against you guys saying woodland isn't better than any of the new digital type camouflage. But I think the argument here is if he doesn't have either it's probably a safer bet that he should invest in some cheap woodland first and then get some MARPART, or ACU's or whatever he wants. Only for the argument that some events may not allow ACU or MARPART or something but woodland still seems to be the most widely accepted "green" side color for now.
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Post by Mills on Apr 4, 2009 13:04:42 GMT -5
I agree with woodland camo being the most widely accepted green based camo out there, and I think you should snag some up because nothing is worse then not being able to go to an OP because you dont have the correct camo. But at the end of the day, "airsoft is 90% looks" and if your going for a certain look, wether it be real or one you made up, your camo could be crucial to acheiving that look.
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Post by ely on Apr 4, 2009 15:32:49 GMT -5
I would go with the woodland BDU's. There is something I like about the oldschool BDU's. They are just bad ass.
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Post by Great Troub of Troubistan on Apr 4, 2009 16:04:11 GMT -5
Honestly, camo in general isn't very effective for airsoft. The ranges are far too close for it really too matter. Aside from maybe a ghillie suit...
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Post by Aztec Commando on Apr 4, 2009 16:12:59 GMT -5
I'd agree with mills, it's all about what camo pattern you like the look of. As for MARPAT not being accepted at some games, I have never seen any event that wouldn't allow MARPAT on the woodland side. My guess is that the ones that won't allow MARPAT are the hardcore milsim games, where each side is only ONE camo pattern, and you need all lowcaps, are restricted to a certain number of mags/bb's, etc. And since you are just new to airsoft, you probably won't be going to many fullout milsim games, probably just a bunch of semi-strict ops and rec games for your first year.
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Post by kustom on Apr 4, 2009 22:07:26 GMT -5
Well, if you're wearing a camo pattern that blends in with your environment such as MARPAT or multicam and not running around, it's a lot easier to blend in. Now, say you were wearing ACU with a tan vest, OD pouches, and black kneepad and belt, you might have a harder time getting camouflage to work.
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Post by Deuce34 on Apr 5, 2009 11:30:48 GMT -5
On the other hand, Multicam for the win.
Then again, sometimes multicam isn't accepted at ops because of it's 'blending with everything' nature. That makes it kind of hard to tell if you're green or tan.
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