|
Post by bigc on Mar 15, 2009 9:30:49 GMT -5
Tex, think about what you just wrote. Most people hate prepay and 50% of people are no shows, doesn't that kind of answer itself? If you are planning on coming it's not a big deal to prepay, if you might ditch the game then obviously you won't like to prepay.
I think the list is not the way to go, simply give a discount price for prepay.
|
|
|
Post by Chaseman on Mar 15, 2009 9:44:35 GMT -5
We charged $10.00 for people to come out and play at our field. Always had fun with great game play and a good crowd. Stop trying to get rich on one game and charge less money. That will increase your numbers. I have been to many games on the west side and they haven't been any different to the games on the east side. The last game I was involved with was at Hell Survivors, we had pre- pay because we needed $250 by a certain time to rent their field for the game date. Prepay is nice to let the host know what to expect but you shouldn't base the quality of the game on the number of players actually showing up. As the host you should have a plan B for a smaller turnout and the guest shouldn't even know they missed anything. Also If it is gonna be pre-pay it should be available up to the day of the event, that way if I do have a chance to come out I can prepay on line before I leave home to head out to the event.
|
|
|
Post by Tex on Mar 15, 2009 14:32:17 GMT -5
My events are never crazily prices, and the ones that are, include MRE's, etc. My events are also top notch, ask anyone who has attended them. I have great events and great prices, and yet, people still drop out. Now it's not too bad if roughly even member from each team drop out, that's easy. But when you get 5 times the amount of people to show up for one team than the other, you're stuck in a rather crappy predicament. No, the quality has nothing to do with how many people who up, my 13 person event was one of the best I've yet to actually play in, but when people don't show up when they say they are going to, it creates a rather large problem.
|
|
|
Post by Chaseman on Mar 15, 2009 14:57:25 GMT -5
I would say if you are gonna have MRE's and such. You let people know in the information that if they want the extras they have to prepay so you can order the right amount. That way you are not out any of your own money. Let the people that don't want the extras finned for their self and just come out for the game. As for only one team showing up in force, people in MI. know some don't go when they say they are. Suggest they bring another uniform to balance the teams. Expect even with pre-pay 12-15 won't show up.
|
|
|
Post by cqbr on Mar 15, 2009 16:14:20 GMT -5
It's a fucking game? That's why. but who cares, it's just a game anyway. *sigh* This is why Michigan airsoft isn't going to change for a while... I support there being some sort of consequence for someone continually skipping out on games, but a list most likely won't happen. Pre-paying is the way to go if you want to guarantee that people won't be dropping out because they stayed up drinking the night before, or "Just don't feel like it"... For example, that Area 51 game that Chaseman and SkyPilot organized in December. I spoke to some people at that game that were saying that they would have NEVER showed up after the 1-1/2 feet of snow came down a night or two before. But, since they prepayed their $25 or whatever it was, they came and played since they didn't want to throw away their pre-pay deposit.
|
|
|
Post by X on Mar 15, 2009 17:02:54 GMT -5
For example, that Area 51 game that Chaseman and SkyPilot organized in December. I spoke to some people at that game that were saying that they would have NEVER showed up after the 1-1/2 feet of snow came down a night or two before. But, since they prepayed their $25 or whatever it was, they came and played since they didn't want to throw away their pre-pay deposit. Yeah, I was there. The people you speak of would be the first half, the second half of the prepay list never showed. I don't think there's any way around it. People are going to not show up, end of story. There will always be people who don't care about pissing there money away, and there will always be people who don't give a shit about bailing without notice. I don't think this will work because after a few years you're only going to have new people going to games. All the other members will be on said "No Show" list. Assuming that "No Show" equals ban. All this list nonsense is more drama. As if there wasn't enough that around here as it is. On top of that you're going to have people lying to get out of the consequences of a No Show. Hence why somehow someone manages to get into an accident on their way to Farmington games, even on sunny days! Go figure. If there's logistical issues with the games then prepay. If they don't show then you have there money and you can adjust the game for the smaller roster. If it's a problem with team balancing then just use color whores (MultiCam) as a balance.
|
|
|
Post by Crazyman™ on Mar 15, 2009 18:06:03 GMT -5
Sigh all you want CQBr, I already said to make them prepay. If you choose not to do that or make the games worth while, then big fucking deal if people decide not to come.
The only real way to do it is to make all events prepay. A list isn't going to do shit.
People just need to grow up and move on. If you want to call fuckers out for something, be man enough to do it sure, but a no-show list is lame.
|
|
bigj
New Member
Attention! Attention Please! I have a special announcement! ....Testicles.... That is all.
Posts: 492
|
Post by bigj on Mar 15, 2009 22:08:22 GMT -5
Sigh all you want CQBr, I already said to make them prepay. If you choose not to do that or make the games worth while, then big fucking deal if people decide not to come. The only real way to do it is to make all events prepay. A list isn't going to do shit. People just need to grow up and move on. If you want to call fuckers out for something, be man enough to do it sure, but a no-show list is lame. On top of calling them out, you could force them into the woods with Crazy for five minutes of "Punishment". I'm sure he would volunteer, his uh, "Unique" abilities. You would get a lot less No-Show's... Or possibly many, many, many more knowing some of you MiA freaks.
|
|
|
Post by Яoman on Mar 17, 2009 23:51:38 GMT -5
Note to anyone, if Crazyman say you got pretty hair while shooting the shit at the chrono table... its alright to feel uncomfortable... I hope im not the only one this happens to at some of the SFOD games... am I?
|
|
|
Post by SWAT A4 on Mar 18, 2009 0:17:43 GMT -5
X, Why do you need change?
Not to make Chicago sound all bad, but from the *one* Michigan event I've been to thus far, and the people on this website.... I don't see a need for change.....
Chicago needs some change. Bad blood between wayyyy to many people.
|
|
|
Post by venimal on Mar 18, 2009 13:53:24 GMT -5
If I may, I agree with Swat A4 and Kneif. While I admit no shows are annoying, I don't like the idea that I am obligated to engage in a recreational sport. To me it makes it less recreational. If, for example, I'm doing a video shoot at work on Friday, and sprain my ankle just before Saturdays game, I am being punished already by not being able to go. If I register for an event, or pre-pay even, you best be sured I will do everything in my power to be there. However, life is life. If I could tell you about what happens tomorrow, I'd own a billion Systema's right now. If you force me to prepay, I'll wait till the last minute to do so because of that reason. Airsoft is fun, but if I get a money making opportunity, or a work emergency, or a family emergency, guess what. For Farmington, I see what the problem is. 30 person limit, with 80 people wanting to go. If you sign up for that, best go, because someone else would have gone in your place.
Truth is, this is a game, I do it for fun. I can see blacklisting people, but not for no shows. There are people that do far worse things then that.
|
|
|
Post by redknight on Mar 19, 2009 9:49:01 GMT -5
Yeah, OK... having listened to this for a while now, I have to interject this thought. I went to Area51, it was fine and all, but inflating the price online after a certain date was crap! it went from $20 to what ? $40? Then folks at the door walked in and paid $20 on the day of the event...Slugg handled our payment late unfortunately, but still, inflating rates to induce a false sense of panic trying to force people to commit is crappy and I won't go through that frustration again (sorry guys, I loved the event, but the notion of inflating prices at the last minute was craptacular). I agree with a pre-pay only system, along with special allowances or arrangements made with the host(then it's on him if he makes an exception). I have middle-of-the-road views on this whole thing. I think that rather than a official list, each event should have a no-show list in the after action report. Then, event coordinators and hosts can look at the list, or ignore it as they like that way. Then there won't be some one getting "black-listed", unless of course they are a no-show frequently and people take notice of the same names popping up every time.
|
|
|
Post by Knief on Mar 19, 2009 16:10:18 GMT -5
Well, it's not like they raised the prices at the last minute. They told you when they posted the event that it would cost more to register after a certain point. That's to get people to stop from waiting until the last minute to register, and make the event easier to plan. The real problem was that they took people at the door for less than the late payment amount.
Upping rates for late anything happens all over the place. You have to pay fees if you don't get your bills in on time. At an ice rink I used to work at, you had to pay late fees for registering on a hockey team after the start of the season. Restaurants cut prices for the Early Bird special, so people who show up early can eat cheaper (because they're on a fixed income and close to dying).
Anyway, the point is, we pay late fees and higher prices all the time. Skypilot was put in a tough situation, and it's one that we have to deal with at No Limits and Futureball sometimes. We get airsofters to register through MiA so we can have people prepay, or set teams, or whatever. And then the paintball field advertises the game and airsofters who haven't found MiA show up and fuck up our numbers. In this case, they got in for cheaper because Hell Survivor wasn't charging the late payment price because that wasn't their prerogative. It sucks for sure, but there really wasn't anything Skypilot or Chaseman could have done about it because they weren't the ones handling registration. If they had, I promise you they would have either charged those guys at least the same amount you had to pay or they would have just sent them packing.
|
|
|
Post by redknight on Mar 19, 2009 22:56:44 GMT -5
Oh, I am by no means bashing those guys. They hosted a great event! The only bone I had to pick with the whole thing is the rate of inflation of prices, which in my opinion, should have been handled differently, but it's moot at this point to kick the issue around anymore. I just favor a fixed prepaid fee, with a cut-off date and if folks fail to prepay, too bad. Of course, there would have to exceptions to any rule, but getting back to the issue of the no-show list, I that think each event host should publish a list after wards, especially if the person did not pay and promised to do so. If you prepay and don't show, I just see that as a very nice "donation", but if you promise to help defray the cost of renting a field and don't pay or show... that's grounds for some griping and poop flinging!
|
|
|
Post by bigc on Mar 20, 2009 8:28:41 GMT -5
I think that if event hosts put as much effort into their events as it would take to maintain this list they might not have as many no shows.
|
|