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Post by Knief on Feb 10, 2009 21:33:11 GMT -5
How about this one. I turned on a light while you were in a room because it hadn't been turned back on from the Zombie game. You turned it back off twice after I asked you to leave it on, and you continued to argue with me about it until I left the room.
I told you after the first time you came to one of our Farmington games that you were acting like a jerk, and asked you to cut it out. I gave you specific examples, like joining a game halfway through and just shooting everybody (you didn't know who was on your team because you either missed or ignored the briefing, and that's not something that your fellow players should suffer for, is it?)
And then of course, the whole talking while I try to brief thing. Nobody should have to tell you to be quiet while an event host is giving instructions. Yet, you do it anyway, and on a regular basis. Then you bitch and make smart-ass comments when I ask you to be quiet. I've got 34 other people there who want to know how the next game is going to be played. If you don't want to hear it, then you obviously don't want to play the next game.
So after all of that, I don't see a whole lot of problem with removing you from the event. In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have taken your shit for as long as I did.
I tell you what, though. When you start hosting events, you can talk all you want during briefings, shoot anybody you want during game play, and turn on and off any lights you like. But when you're at a Hellfish game, you'll follow the rules and give us the common courtesy that every other player who has ever attended one of our games has given us.
I mean honestly, other than the whistle thing from this last game, which is largely your fault, we've hardly had a single problem with any player. Our No Limits games had about 60 players attending once a month all summer, and then these Farmington games had about 30-35 each time. Assuming that there were quite a few repeats, we've probably had over 150-200 different players attend our games. You're the only one out of that group who has had this many issues. Why do you think that is?
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Post by Seven on Feb 10, 2009 22:11:21 GMT -5
How about this one. I turned on a light while you were in a room because it hadn't been turned back on from the Zombie game. You turned it back off twice after I asked you to leave it on, and you continued to argue with me about it until I left the room. I told you after the first time you came to one of our Farmington games that you were acting like a jerk, and asked you to cut it out. I gave you specific examples, like joining a game halfway through and just shooting everybody (you didn't know who was on your team because you either missed or ignored the briefing, and that's not something that your fellow players should suffer for, is it?) And then of course, the whole talking while I try to brief thing. Nobody should have to tell you to be quiet while an event host is giving instructions. Yet, you do it anyway, and on a regular basis. Then you bitch and make smart-ass comments when I ask you to be quiet. I've got 34 other people there who want to know how the next game is going to be played. If you don't want to hear it, then you obviously don't want to play the next game. So after all of that, I don't see a whole lot of problem with removing you from the event. In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have taken your shit for as long as I did. I tell you what, though. When you start hosting events, you can talk all you want during briefings, shoot anybody you want during game play, and turn on and off any lights you like. But when you're at a Hellfish game, you'll follow the rules and give us the common courtesy that every other player who has ever attended one of our games has given us. I mean honestly, other than the whistle thing from this last game, which is largely your fault, we've hardly had a single problem with any player. Our No Limits games had about 60 players attending once a month all summer, and then these Farmington games had about 30-35 each time. Assuming that there were quite a few repeats, we've probably had over 150-200 different players attend our games. You're the only one out of that group who has had this many issues. Why do you think that is? I never touched the light in the room, I was simply arguing that we had advanced to the room with the lights off, you turning the lights on gave our postion and cover away. Don't you think that could have wait til after that game so that wouldn't have happened? That was like changing the rules in the middle of the game. And I argued to keep the lights off in the room, never turning them back off. That was the first and last time I was on that side of the feild the rest of the day, you even saw me walk off the field after talking to you, so how did I turn them back off? EDIT: Everyone else in the room even left when you turned the light's on because everyone cover was blown. I never recall you ever telling me not to join in halfway, I was busy reloading. And the one time I came back in halfway you escorted me back to spawn anyway. So you even endorsed me joining in halfway. I do recall you telling me to stop TKing at a previous game and I simply replied with I didn't know who was on my team and not, as did many others that game. That game is what lead to the organization of the teams. And you can't hold the talking against me, you know I wasn't the only one. Doesn't matter if it was right or not, I'm not your whipping boy on this one. I don't buy that you were blowing the whistle the whole time because of my voice alone.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Feb 10, 2009 22:27:02 GMT -5
If you actually listened to knief we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also the complaints have come from the players who paid good money to play. It would be disrespectful to them to allow you to come to any more of our events. I've even heard a few guys say that whenever they see you at SFOD they go to the opposite side of the field just so they don't have to deal with you.
Who cares about this whole thing anyways? You said you weren't going to any of our games anymore so what's done is done so you can move on. It's a win-win for everyone.
You stop going to hellfish games = win for you.
You stop going to hellfish games = better hellfish games = less trying to get people's attention = less people getting FF and overkilled by you = less complaints to the refs about you = win for everyone else.
See everyone wins. Honestly though try hosting your events and you'll see how much work it takes to make sure it runs smoothly. Toss in someone with a severe case of ADD and it gets even harder.
It shouldn't have surprised you that we were telling people what to do since it is our event . When you run your "Seven presents: rec game at seven's back yard" you can talk all you want, shoot who you want, change rules mid game, shut lights on and off all you want.
We try our hardest to get input before, during, between and after games to see what worked and what didn't and we try to adjust so that people have a good time and get their money's worth. We don't get a single penny for running these games. All we get out of it is our good name and a good reputation so we try pretty damn hard to make our events enjoyable.
Our record speaks for itself. Sad to say for you, your record speaks pretty loud as well.
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Post by Knief on Feb 10, 2009 22:32:38 GMT -5
You're flat out lying. You turned the light back off while I was still in the room with you. I took away the cover that you unfairly had, and shouldn't have had. Nobody else had dark rooms to hide in, except for the one with no light bulb. It's not like I moved the crate you were hiding behind or pushed you infront of a doorway. I corrected our own oversight, turning on a light that we accidentally left off after the Zombie game. That room is used heavily when the fighting moves to that side of the field because it's littered with great cover. You left because you lost your unfair advantage. That's not my concern. My concern is eliminating unfair advantages so one team isn't screwed. And if your "cover" was people not knowing you were in the room, then you blew that by arguing with me. I would have turned the light on whether there were people in the room or not. If there were guys in the next room, and all they saw was the light go on and me walk out, they couldn't possibly assume that there were people in that room.
I didn't tell you not to join in half way. We do our best to get everybody in the game when we can. The problem that we, and everybody else in that game had, was that you were shooting everybody because you didn't know which team you were on. You didn't listen at the briefing when I broke down teams, and you didn't ask me on your way in. I can't instruct every player individually of game details; that's why the briefing is so important. I suppose you'd know that if you every listened to them. If you've missed already announced information that's vital to game play, it's your responsiblity to get it. You're an adult, and I assume that you know how to ask a question. I also assume that every player on the field already knows that shooting every target he sees because he doesn't know what team he's on isn't acceptable conduct. I feel like no event host should have to make that clear at the start of their games.
And yes, I can hold talking against you. Just because some other people were occasionally talking doesn't mean that it's ok for you to do it. Or did you miss the whole, don't follow your friends if they jump off a bridge lesson in kindergarten? Nobody else there was as persistent as you were. Nobody else there continued to talk after I addressed them specifically and asked them to stop. You, on the other hand, were a loudmouth from start to finish, no matter how many times I asked you to be quiet.
So I ask again, if we've had 200 different players come to our events with minimal problems, why are you such a thorn in our side?
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Post by DeathDealer on Feb 11, 2009 1:29:40 GMT -5
Seven, every time I've played with you you've been a total douche bag. From intentionally pushing me around, to just being an arrogant asshole. You won't be missed. I will agree with X, I personally had a problem with Seven due to general in-sportsmanlike conduct and an issue during the start of one of the games where he tried to spawn or (start) further in the field then the rest of the team until I called him out and told him to play with the rest of us fairly.
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Post by Kjones on Feb 11, 2009 3:00:14 GMT -5
Yup I was right there next to you, his response "I am on the black team I can start where I want" death dealer said "no get back here and start like the rest of us" seven said " what are you being racist because I am on black team?" Then seven walked back to the spawn place with the rest of us and shot the ceiling 2 times above our heads and it bounced off and hit the kid standing behind me.
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Post by X on Feb 11, 2009 10:10:02 GMT -5
Yup I was right there next to you, his response "I am on the black team I can start where I want" death dealer said "no get back here and start like the rest of us" seven said " what are you being racist because I am on black team?" Yeah that's pretty much how I remember it, although I remember him trying to aviod actually saying he was going to spawn ahead of us. Then seven walked back to the spawn place with the rest of us and shot the ceiling 2 times above our heads and it bounced off and hit the kid standing behind me. Which would be me.
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Post by mopedman (Fighting Tacos) on Feb 11, 2009 10:15:53 GMT -5
Seven, every time I've played with you you've been a total douche bag. From intentionally pushing me around, to just being an arrogant asshole. You won't be missed. I will agree with X, I personally had a problem with Seven due to general in-sportsmanlike conduct and an issue during the start of one of the games where he tried to spawn or (start) further in the field then the rest of the team until I called him out and told him to play with the rest of us fairly. The Five members of the Fighting Taco's that came to the game had problems with him as well. He was one of the main reasons we left right after lunch.
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Post by Gestapo on Feb 11, 2009 11:54:50 GMT -5
Quite a few people had a problem with your team too.......
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Post by crazyrabbit on Feb 11, 2009 12:16:30 GMT -5
Quite a few people had a problem with your team too....... Yea, that's a different story all together.
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Post by mopedman (Fighting Tacos) on Feb 11, 2009 12:27:44 GMT -5
If people had problems with my team PM me them. I have herd a couple of problems about a single player on my team. I want peoples input so the problems can be dealt with.
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Post by DeathDealer on Feb 11, 2009 15:42:22 GMT -5
Then seven walked back to the spawn place with the rest of us and shot the ceiling 2 times above our heads and it bounced off and hit the kid standing behind me. I had actually no idea that happened, I wish you would have said something. I would directly called a ref over to deal with his issues.
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Post by Kjones on Feb 11, 2009 19:48:27 GMT -5
Well I can confidently say I will boycott any event he is going too, I have had 3 negative experiences out of the 3 times I dealt with him.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Feb 11, 2009 21:53:57 GMT -5
I'm assuming that you are talking about seven or are you talking about the tacos?
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Post by X on Feb 11, 2009 22:40:19 GMT -5
We are referring to Seven.
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