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Post by Koko on Feb 15, 2009 16:01:45 GMT -5
I'm still against a list, whether it be private or public. All you are doing is creating a black list. A player may have made an honest mistake or could possibly be having a douchey day (I know I at least have days where I just feel like a douche) and take it a step too far. To me this is no reason to publically or privately destroy their reputation. We all (players and game officials) check the upcoming games section weekly, at least, and can tell you basically who is going to which game. A simple PM to whomever is running the game about trouble players should suffice just fine.
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Post by Kiki on Feb 15, 2009 16:58:16 GMT -5
Sorry if I post ideas that have already been posted, I haven't read through all 5 pages yet...
Anyways, I think an event banned player list is kind of useless. I mean, seriously, how many people have been banned statewide? OpDoc... but who else? I haven't heard of anybody else who's been hated half as much statewide.
Our Hellfish Farmington CQB games have a small "ban" list going on, but that's not anything permanent (usually just one or two games), and that's the kind of thing that we ban people for not showing up, which doesn't really affect any other games besides the CQB ones.
And like Koko Krisp said, people can sometimes be douches at games, but unless they consistently/repeatedly are being genuine assholes and ruining gameplay for everyone else, there's no reason to ban them for all events.
In the end, it's an interesting idea, but I don't find it to be very useful. Everybody already knows who OpDoc is and he won't be allowed to play at any respectful field, so what do we need a ban list for?
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Post by Crazyman™ on Feb 15, 2009 18:41:00 GMT -5
Kikijiki's right, the only others that I remember being widely disagreed with or disliked, are the Lakeshore guys and Camophreak, but those guys aren't around much anyway.
Unless someone stole something, bans are something that hosts should control.
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Post by redknight on Feb 16, 2009 1:56:57 GMT -5
I guess you have a very valid point kokokrisp, the black list would be a bad thing forpeople that make honest mistakes.
But, Kneif, I swear I thought that Hellfish banned freeman/miketrann and some other guys forever, I seem to recall it on the thread about reserations for Farmington CQC. Who is OPDoc and what did he do to be banned? I heard about herodave, formerly of Zombie Squad hosing two guys down, at point blank range while theyt were sitting with no goggles, was it something like that?
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Post by Knief on Feb 16, 2009 8:30:08 GMT -5
Miketran was only banned from our Farmington events, and only for this season. He didn't show up a couple days in a row, and like I said, we didn't want to waste spots giving them to somebody who wouldn't show up when others would. Then he created two new accounts to try to trick us into letting him come to the next game, so the ban was extended until the end of the season rather than just two games.
Very few people here have the full story of OpDoc, myself included. Tex will know, if you want to PM him. The gist of it, however, is that he hosted events and charged an entrance fee. That entrance fee, he claimed, was going partly toward insurance and partly toward the Wounded Warrior Foundation. As it turns out, none of the money went toward anything but his pocket. So really, he claimed to have field insurance and didn't (which is a big no-no, you can not have field insurance, but you need to let people know), and he stole from the WWF. He doesn't get to be a part of our community anymore after that.
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Post by Canto on Feb 16, 2009 10:22:20 GMT -5
In my opinion, no matter what OpDoc (Vernon Goss) does to make reparations to the MiA community; it will never be enough.
The man is a con-artist at best; along with being a thief. I mean... Who the hell steals from charity? That's low, very low...
He tried to subvert the ban we have on him by going behind our back to the field owner and try and work something out. Then lied to me about it saying that "Everything is alright now, Glenn said it was fine." Then when we put our foot down again, tries and steals our location (due to the loss of his Schoolcraft, Michigan field before hand)...
Hence why he has a lifetime ban from all of Armory Airsoft's events and field locations.
But enough about Mr. Goss...
There was one major incident at Operation: Starlite, where this kid in a blue jacket was taking his goggles off repeatedly... He was warned and such several times, I eventually threatened him with "Where are you from?...Well, it will be a long ride back if I hear of this again."
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Post by qtip on Feb 16, 2009 13:15:52 GMT -5
I think its a good idea but for extreme cases only. Teams would have to take too much responsibility. Banning someone forever from everything in Michigan is very extreme, instead of them never playing again, it could be used as more of a watch list, or something like the buyer seller ratings, where you can get information on a questionable player to make sure who you are dealing with isn't going to screw you over. Basically i support the list but only as a guide, not something that kicks someone out forever, that is too much power in the hands of one list. Just post comments about players that have not been cooperative or safe, and if more people have problems with them more will post, but that also gives them a chance to explain, it also allows for teams to to make a ruling for their own event instead of others making that decision for them.
In the end guideline not law
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Post by Koko on Feb 16, 2009 13:51:28 GMT -5
If you give people the chance to explain it will most likely result in a flame war though. Most people won't fess up that they did something wrong and will actually take the posts in which they could be redeeming themselves to deny any claims and call out game organizers and refs. The thread would then get cluttered with responses and replies everywhere and eventually people would stop reading it because useful information would be few and far between. That's why just a simple PM to a game organizer will work better. It's not a ban, it's just a notice that "hey this guy wasn't calling hits and was doing some dangerous stuff".
Also, if someone does get banned I don't think it needs to go public. Obviously you can PM game organizers so they have forewarning but the community at large doesn't need to know if someone has been banned from events, possibly wrecking any reputation they have. You just need to make sure that whomever gets banned knows they are banned and knows that they are not allowed to sign up or show up to any of the banned events with public humiliation and further banning as a punishment for doing so.
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Post by 35mil on Feb 18, 2009 10:15:35 GMT -5
Doc also lied about his service record. but, it's not like we need to black ball his name any more than it is already.
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Post by Stepchild on Feb 18, 2009 11:18:31 GMT -5
Kikijiki's right, the only others that I remember being widely disagreed with or disliked, are the Lakeshore guys and Camophreak, but those guys aren't around much anyway. Unless someone stole something, bans are something that hosts should control. Lakeshore no longer exists!
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Post by O'Dwah on Feb 18, 2009 15:34:23 GMT -5
Kikijiki's right, the only others that I remember being widely disagreed with or disliked, are the Lakeshore guys and Camophreak, but those guys aren't around much anyway. Unless someone stole something, bans are something that hosts should control. Lakeshore no longer exists! Good.
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Post by Stepchild on Feb 18, 2009 19:12:08 GMT -5
Lakeshore no longer exists! Good. Why? Why is it good that people leave this sport that we love?
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Post by Koenig on Feb 18, 2009 19:47:09 GMT -5
Because all I ever heard about them was that they blatantly refused to follow rules of engagement and safety.
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Post by Beast on Feb 18, 2009 20:19:10 GMT -5
I sugjest people stay to the topic here and not start off down a flame road. Stuff like I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend about someone or some group, and not knowing first hand is the main reason why a statewide ban list will never work properly. People are way too quick to judge others off rumors.
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Post by Koko on Feb 19, 2009 18:03:34 GMT -5
I suggest you learn to spell a bit better before asking people to stop shit talking. Besides that, rumors will have little to no effect on a ban list as the only posts that will be taken seriously will be from people that run games. For example: Oakey punches babies.
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