|
Post by Canto on Feb 2, 2009 15:58:47 GMT -5
I know from a lot of networking with other teams and event hosting organizations that there are quite a few people who have been banned or barred from fields around Michigan.
I would like to propose a statewide banned player list that would not only list names and callsigns, but which fields they are barred from and the reason(s) why.
Example:
"Lakeshore Airsoft" - Unsafe Conduct, Cheating - Bangor, Charlotte, Michigan Fields
Any and all input is welcome.
|
|
|
Post by SWAT A4 on Feb 2, 2009 16:06:12 GMT -5
Canto,
This is something we have talked about a lot in Illinois as well...
It simply wouldn't work. "Cheating" is no reason the get banned from a place, as some times it's really hard to feel a hit or something. Honest mistakes happen.
I think that's like putting the Scarlett letter around everyones neck. If someone messes up at once field, it should be up to that field to criticize / ban them.
On a smaller scale, the IL airsoft sites are doing the same thing for forums... However... even with that.. If someone screwed up on MIA, I'm not going to ban them on AMP before they even register here.
|
|
|
Post by Hunter on Feb 2, 2009 16:06:40 GMT -5
This is a very good idea. It for sure will help field owners out.
|
|
|
Post by cqbr on Feb 2, 2009 17:16:48 GMT -5
I say Yes, but there should be certain restrictions. For example, banning someone for "Cheating" (IE: Not calling hits, etc.) there should be a strike system or second offense and your out. Not only for the reason SWAT mentioned, but I am more concerned with people being stupid and putting others in danger (IE: Using HOT weapons, destroying structures on the field, being a hot-head, etc.) rather than cheating. Cheaters you can always deal with and perhaps coax away from the "Dark Side", but jackasses will always be jackasses. But that's just my take on it.
|
|
|
Post by ξ Blazin’ Ace ξ on Feb 2, 2009 17:24:13 GMT -5
I agree with SWAT about the issues of "honest mistakes", sometimes you just can't feel the bb's.
Maybe if you have witnesses seeing you shoot the accused and they can tell that the accused can obviously feel them. Then depending on the field they could decide the on the right course to take.
|
|
|
Post by Crazyman™ on Feb 2, 2009 17:41:43 GMT -5
I agree with Cqbr, unsafe conduct takes priority over cheating in my book. Everyone is going to encounter a cheater at some time anyway, it's not going to change with bans.
Douchebags, on the other hand, need to get kicked off the fields for good.
|
|
|
Post by crazyrabbit on Feb 2, 2009 20:00:36 GMT -5
I'm all for the banning of unsafe players and/or players that just are a huge pain in the ass to the majority of MIA. IE: don't follow rules, hot head, persistent cheaters,...ect. This would have to be a trend from field to field.
|
|
|
Post by M.S.-ARC on Feb 2, 2009 20:57:38 GMT -5
Hells yeah. As a group MIA should definitely band together to enforce safety rules as well as eliminate those who give our sport a bad name or do things that are highly immoral or improper.
I think I could speak for my team in saying that if as a group we have determined that a person or group has done enough to be banned that as organizers we will enforce the ban as well.
I hope we see some support from others like SFOD as well.
The problem with this is who will enforce it if banned people show up to events regardless. The only way this will work is if all those (or a huge majority) help the event organizers uphold the ban.
|
|
|
Post by BoredKender on Feb 2, 2009 21:43:12 GMT -5
I think i may have read this differently than was intended based on everyone's response.
My take is that it seemed like the OP wanted to (even if not, this might work) use the forum NOT to enfoce bans throughout the state, but rather compile a list of who has been banned at what fields ALREADY and why it happened.
MIA is not a policing forum, we are a means of communication.
|
|
|
Post by mopedman (Fighting Tacos) on Feb 2, 2009 21:56:48 GMT -5
My take is that it seemed like the OP wanted to (even if not, this might work) use the forum NOT to enfoce bans throughout the state, but rather compile a list of who has been banned at what fields ALREADY and why it happened. MIA is not a policing forum, we are a means of communication. I seen it like that too. I think that would be a good idea but not a state wide ban.
|
|
|
Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Feb 2, 2009 21:59:04 GMT -5
Cheating is one thing, but endangering others and themselves is something that should be recorded.
The problem would be eye-witness testimonies and a system designed to avoid a witch-hunt. Some people may get roped into an offense by an entire team simply because that team or group of people has some sort of problem with that person.
Above simply listing players that put others in harm MIA could outline a "rehab" program such as the seminars held to better acquaint new players to MILSIM events, or the training RedKnight has shown an interest in hosting.
|
|
|
Post by Dahm on Feb 2, 2009 22:12:22 GMT -5
I support the ban list for dangerous offenses. I'm not so sure how I feel about someone who doesn't call hits. I think if someone is repeatedly calling hits, they'll get a clue when no one likes them. That doesn't necessarily mean they should be barred from all events. But that does have its limits too.
In terms of the dangerous conduct, go for it 100%. I support that.
|
|
tweek
New Member
You know the first rule of combat? Shoot them before they shoot you.
Posts: 157
|
Post by tweek on Feb 2, 2009 23:25:05 GMT -5
I support good old fashion floggings. You put some one else in harms way... you get your ass kicked.
As far as state wide bans go I say thats a no no. These people get kicked out of the airsoft community and then there off playing in front yards again making airsoft look terrible. I like D4amit's rehab idea. Punishment is definitely necessary but overall ban will probably not work. As far as a list of who has been kicked off which fields and why, excellent idea. something like the buyer/seller reviews in commerce. The total dick/nice guy reviews.
|
|
|
Post by Koko on Feb 3, 2009 9:02:09 GMT -5
As cool of an idea as this is its too harsh. Don't get me wrong, I don't want dangerous players on the field. This ban list would take away from a players chance of redeeming him/herself though. Besides, different players play differently at different venues. Obviously a general demeanor on life won't change but some slight douchebag habits may.
Cool idea but I think it is too harsh to statewide ban someone. You'll turn away inexperienced players and seriously bone someone that could have just not been thinking right. I am for Kender's idea though. That was an organizer knows what they may have to deal with at a game, and can warn players ahead of time that similar behavior will absolutely not be tolerated.
|
|
|
Post by Barrett on Feb 3, 2009 9:47:53 GMT -5
Im neutral on this one. Maybe we could employ the forum's 'warning warning temp-ban perma-ban' policy for members attending games. Also, I just don't like labeling people good or bad.
|
|