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Post by tsi27 on Jan 17, 2009 19:48:26 GMT -5
You guys keep talking so much about "oh clones don't hold their value" "ACM don't hold their value" etc. and honestly you don't really make sense. Seriously if they didn't hold their value that well then why can't the original poster find one for under $100?? I mean if they "don't hold their value" then they would be available dirt cheap no?
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Post by tsi27 on Jan 17, 2009 19:52:28 GMT -5
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Post by cqbr on Jan 17, 2009 20:06:47 GMT -5
You guys keep talking so much about "oh clones don't hold their value" "ACM don't hold their value" etc. and honestly you don't really make sense. Seriously if they didn't hold their value that well then why can't the original poster find one for under $100?? I mean if they "don't hold their value" then they would be available dirt cheap no? ROFL...I love it when people comment on things they have no clue about. Bottom line is, Mills can buy or not buy whatever he wishes. Good luck on your decision Mills Edit: Yay!! 1K
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Post by tsi27 on Jan 17, 2009 23:25:52 GMT -5
Yes and I love when name brand whores like you spend a couple hundred, usually more then what they paid for the gun their sticking it on, for a real steel sight. Its idiotic. People are even using airsoft parts on real steel but to use real steel parts on something that shoots out bbs at a accurate distance of 150 feet is pointless.
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Post by Optimus Composite on Jan 17, 2009 23:53:55 GMT -5
Did you ever consider that the reason that you don't find clones for dirt cheap is because they don't tend to stay working long enough for resale? Or that most people realize that they're not quality replicas, and don't buy them in the first place?
One of the guys on these boards had it in his signature that "Quality isn't expensive, it's priceless". And that's maybe the truest thing I've ever read. So yeah, maybe you could get by with a cheap clone. But if you want something that'll last longer than you will, or if you shoot real steel as well as Airsoft (which a lot of guys around here do), there's no questioning the purchase of the real item.
There's nothing wrong with choosing to go the cheaper route, but to claim that spending the extra money for genuine accessories is pointless is just silly.
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Post by Mills on Jan 18, 2009 5:09:13 GMT -5
yeah, but the problem still lies in, I don't need a real one. If it's a red dot on a lense, then friggan sweet. There in lies the argument "get a real gun, it holds it's value a lot more then an airsoft gun." And like I said, I don't want one THAT bad, but a knock off works, looks cool, and I can use it. I mean, yeah a real one can go under water and work, is a real hologram (or something like that), do the dishes, clean the floors, and give good head, but Not one of those things I need to do with my airsoft gun. My problem lies with you de-railing this thread. Instead of adding something constructive to my question, you go on a rant as to why you dont need a real one. Well this isnt about what you need, it's about what I want.
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Post by tsi27 on Jan 18, 2009 7:51:37 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with choosing to go the cheaper route, but to claim that spending the extra money for genuine accessories is pointless is just silly. Thats true but for airsoft its pointless, especially when a used genuine Eotech alone cost more then almost every gun it is put on. And like I said, no one is going to be making any mile long shots with an airsoft gun, the iron sights are more then adequate, but people put on red dot sights for the convenience of quicker aiming. Sure if you have a real rifle then yea I guess I would see the point of buying one and swapping it back and forth but I doubt "most" of the members on this forum own real steel weapons as a majority of them are under/around 18. Plain and simple, a red dot is a red dot on a airsoft gun and isn't going to effect you at all. On the other hand in real life combat the quality guaranteed from using a genuine working sight can be the difference between life and death, and yet people still use replicas on their real steel. Mills I suggest you just search around and read a couple reviews and find out if anyone local has a G&P or whatever brand replica and try it out for yourself.
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Post by Thor on Jan 18, 2009 8:36:00 GMT -5
Thats true but for airsoft its pointless, especially when a used genuine Eotech alone cost more then almost every gun it is put on. And like I said, no one is going to be making any mile long shots with an airsoft gun, the iron sights are more then adequate, but people put on red dot sights for the convenience of quicker aiming. Sure if you have a real rifle then yea I guess I would see the point of buying one and swapping it back and forth but I doubt "most" of the members on this forum own real steel weapons as a majority of them are under/around 18. Plain and simple, a red dot is a red dot on a airsoft gun and isn't going to effect you at all. On the other hand in real life combat the quality guaranteed from using a genuine working sight can be the difference between life and death, and yet people still use replicas on their real steel. Mills I suggest you just search around and read a couple reviews and find out if anyone local has a G&P or whatever brand replica and try it out for yourself. First of all, this forum didn't used to be a bunch of under-18 kiddies. It USED to be a decent place for people to come and exchange knowledge, not an after school hang out. Second of all, what airsoft parts do you see people using on real steel? Stocks, grips, and well, everything airsoft doesn't fit on real steel. If you're trying to say that you can use airsoft optics on real steel, I would say uhh, no. I wouldn't even trust the so called 'shock-proof' replica optics to hold zero very long. Frankly tsi27, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. And for you to try and rag on CQBR for preferring quality over cheap crap is bull.
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Post by tsi27 on Jan 18, 2009 9:18:26 GMT -5
First of all, this forum didn't used to be a bunch of under-18 kiddies. It USED to be a decent place for people to come and exchange knowledge, not an after school hang out. Keyword, USED but even then I still doubt a majority was. Second of all, what airsoft parts do you see people using on real steel? Stocks, grips, and well, everything airsoft doesn't fit on real steel. If you're trying to say that you can use airsoft optics on real steel, I would say uhh, no. I wouldn't even trust the so called 'shock-proof' replica optics to hold zero very long. Go read up on AR15.com. But honestly if you could read you would see I never actually suggested to use a replica on real steel, only said that people do use them and that I would only use the genuine part on real steel. Frankly tsi27, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. And for you to try and rag on CQBR for preferring quality over cheap crap is bull. I never "ragged" on anyone because of quality. But you know what go spend a couple hundred and put a real Eotech on a plastic gun that shoots plastic bbs 150 feet if it helps you sleep at night. As a couple people have said already they are very pleased with their replicas so leave it up to Mills to decide.
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Post by cqbr on Jan 18, 2009 9:26:27 GMT -5
Yes and I love when name brand whores like you spend a couple hundred, usually more then what they paid for the gun their sticking it on, for a real steel sight. Its idiotic. People are even using airsoft parts on real steel but to use real steel parts on something that shoots out bbs at a accurate distance of 150 feet is pointless. Lulz. It's not my fault my optics alone are worth more than your entire gun. But, I'll stick to my real optics and you can stick to your fake ones, it's all about whatever makes you happy. Mills--Did you pick up your EoTech yet?
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Post by bigc on Jan 18, 2009 9:49:40 GMT -5
TSI, here is my mod business getting out of the way- no double posting, read our stickies.
Here is what I have to say about what you have posted:
ARFCOM is your source for good real steel information-hahahaha! ARFCOM has more mall ninjas and couch commandos than most airsoft forums!
MIA at one point was a adult majority for a long time and was an excellent source for knowledge. Kids or people new to the sport need to learn to shut their mouths and open their ears because if you never listen you never learn.
Many of us long term airsofters and some newbies play as a "mil sim" instead of paint soft or as a supliment to real steel training. I believe in train how you fight and set up my airsoft gun just like my real steel gun. Clone AEGs are not that great but they do allow people to get into the sport to see if they like it before they drop some serious cash or maybe allows some entire families get geared up to be a father son combo for some bonding time. Clone optics are complete crap in my experience. The clones have little to no adjustability, don't hold a zero, have crappy eye relief, garbage glass/plastic, blurry, bad battery life, and overall junk build quality.
Why spend $100-150 on a turd that will fail in a year when you can save up and buy a used version for 25-50% more and last possibly a lifetime?
Mills, be patient and keep your eyes peeled for a good deal on ebay or ARFCOM. I picked up both my EoTech 512s for around 275 if memory serves right. You will be much happier in the long run.
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Post by Tex on Jan 18, 2009 9:58:13 GMT -5
Optimus, that was my quote that quality isn't expensive, it's priceless.
Tsi, did you know that EOTechs are CQB to Medium range optics that are designed primarily for 0-100 yards? Hmm, seems perfect for airsoft distances... Airsoft replicas have many issues. Like ghosting, super reflection, not holding their zero, being a pain to adjust, and other things. Sure, for people who don't have the money, get one. But if you have never used a real steel sight, especially a holosight, then stop posting about the differences of them. You DON'T know them.
Once you go real, you will not go back. You just won't they are so very much nicer than any replica will ever be.
Also, your whole "real steel optics cost more than the airsoft gun you put them on" only applies to low quality clones. Anything airsoft replica of decent quality will be running your over $300, and you can get a genuine used EOTech for under that! And the big thing is, if you buy a used optic for cheap... you will be able to use it and so long as you don't beat it to crap, be able to sell it for the same price that you got it for. Or, if you are me, you will find someone who will pay MORE for it. I've actually done that now with 3 different real steel items I've gotten for a good deal.
Pretty much all your posts, about everything have been you just spewing crap that just isn't true (I'm referring to other threads here as well). Please, refrain from posting any more of your bologna.
Good luck Mills, sorry that these dbags had to crap on your thread. But I did own a G&P Eotech and did not like it. It was super super reflective and difficult to look through.
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Post by tsi27 on Jan 18, 2009 10:05:28 GMT -5
Why spend $100-150 on a turd that will fail in a year when you can save up and buy a used version for 25-50% more and last possibly a lifetime? Like I said, its only $61 shipped and G&P seems to make quality products, theres always going to be biased opinions on the whole genuine vs clone thing. Some people will swear by genuine products and for others the clone is perfectly fine and does the job, as a couple of other people have said already. I just think it isn't a good idea to discourage even looking into purchasing a replica, especially when theres a $200+ price difference between a new one and used genuine. If he owns a real steel rifle, hands down he should go with a genuine, if not as I suggested he should take a look at a couple peoples replicas and see how HE likes them. If its good enough for him, great, if not then whatever. Oh and BTW, miairsoft.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=gear&action=display&thread=1410&page=1
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Post by Tex on Jan 18, 2009 10:12:07 GMT -5
Tsi, what you linked, is not a G&P. That seller is selling a super cheap china knock off. G&P's do not have the trademarks, nor do they cost less than about $100 shipped.
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Post by tsi27 on Jan 18, 2009 10:15:11 GMT -5
But if you have never used a real steel sight, especially a holosight, then stop posting about the differences of them. You DON'T know them. I have, smart comment. Yea theres a difference, the question is if it's a justified difference for use in airsoft and that's up to Mills. Also, your whole "real steel optics cost more than the airsoft gun you put them on" only applies to low quality clones. Because TM, KWA, ICS, CA, etc. are low quality clones?? Pretty much all your posts, about everything have been you just spewing crap that just isn't true (I'm referring to other threads here as well). Please, refrain from posting any more of your bologna. Good luck Mills, sorry that these dbags had to crap on your thread. But I did own a G&P Eotech and did not like it. It was super super reflective and difficult to look through. Again, how the hell am I spewing crap? I TOLD THE GUY TO TRY THEM OUT and see how he likes them, I seriously think reading comprehension owns most of you. Tsi, what you linked, is not a G&P. That seller is selling a super cheap china knock off. G&P's do not have the trademarks, nor do they cost less than about $100 shipped. Im pretty sure there are a couple different version of the G&P replicas, but heres one without trades for $80 shipped. cgi.ebay.com/G-P-EOTech-552-replica-sight-for-Airsoft-GP686A-Black_W0QQitemZ290278540257QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item290278540257&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
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