SCEN: Area 51 Crash Zone - Dec. 20th ~ Pinckney

[Knife]

Nov 25, 2008 20:11:35 GMT -5 SkyPilot said:

3. There seems to be some sqwauk about the late fee of $40. So, I'm going to ask everyone this.
(A) Is it fair to those who pre-register early and reserve the field for the slackers who pay after the 6th or the day of the game?
(B) Should there be a late fee? And if so, how much do you believe the late fee should be?
(C) Should we allow walk-ons to the field? And is it that fair to those who pre-paid?

Double the price though, that seems high. My thoughts on it are, prepaying is fine. Make a deadline if you want to confirm people. Walk-ons are an interesting point, for an actual Scenario or Milsim game, don't allow them. Maybe give those who prepay a bonus, a patch or something cool like that.

Where does this extra $20 go? That's part of the issue too in my mind.



It's looking like I may not be making an appearance. From the sound of it, I'm doing a family Christmas thing that day.

[bigj]

Nov 25, 2008 20:11:35 GMT -5 SkyPilot said:

Scream, Thank you for your pre-register payment.


Everyone else.
There are a few things I would like to bring up.

1. Age limit for the game is 14 and over.

2. 16 and under are required to wear a FULL FACE MASK! This is mandated by the field owner, no exceptions to this rule will be made.

3. There seems to be some sqwauk about the late fee of $40. So, I'm going to ask everyone this.
(A) Is it fair to those who pre-register early and reserve the field for the slackers who pay after the 6th or the day of the game?
(B) Should there be a late fee? And if so, how much do you believe the late fee should be?
(C) Should we allow walk-ons to the field? And is it that fair to those who pre-paid?

Personally I believe a late fee should be imposed to those who decide to wait to last minute. I don't think we should cater to those fair-weather fans who are wishy-washy about playing. If a late fee is not imposed, then any attempt to meet our deposit will be hopeless as many players will not pre-pay. As a result, we will not have a game.

The late fee is to entice people to pre-register so we know who's coming, how to plan out objectives, and keep teams balanced.

To those who have already pre-paid, thank you very much for your help in getting this event together. Your imput weighs more than those who have not pre-paid...in my book.

Final thought. If you don't like the late-fee, then there is the simple option of paying early.

-Skypilot

I have pre-paid already and thought I would give my two cents.

I think (A) is answered by (B). If you allow a discount for pre-registers and a extra fee for late-comers I think that is perfectly fair. Lot's of services/companies charge more for immediate service and a discount for people willing to reserve things.

More for (B) I think the late fee may be a bit much and I think others may be wondering why it is so much (i.e., where is that extra money going?) I would say maybe 30$ up to the night/week before the event and 40$ for walk-ons. However, you guys put a tremendous effort into setting this up and I will stand by any decisions made.

For (C) I believe I answered that above by charging even more for walk-ons than late registers. I think it would be unfair for pre-resgisters to NOT have walk-ons as more people on this field will give us 1. a better large scale experience and 2. will show the field owners we, as a airsoft communtity, can be valuable customers and they will be more open to future airsoft events.

Well that's my two-cents and as I said above, thanks very much to the people who organized this and thanks again for asking for our input into the process. It is always nice to have one's idea's asked for.

[Slugg]

I think you should charge maybe 25 after dec 6 and 30 for walk ons. Then use the money for people to have hot coco at spawn points or something. Or maybe use the money to give out hothands and lunch. As long as that money is given back to the players I wouldn't see an issue with it. We just don't want to buy someone a new airsoft gun because people don't have paypal.

You should allow walk ons because I have had people ask me why I'm in camo at a gas station. I tell them and they show up for the event an hour after me. So I mean it should allow walkons

[Knief]

You guys complaining about not allow walk-ons, you realize that most big events in other states don't allow walk-ons either, right? It's not like Sky and Chase are doing something unheard of here. Airsoft players all across the country can get their money sent out early for a game that they want to go to, so why can't you? If you want to go, and you want to pay the cheap price, you have the option to do so; you can pay early. I tell ya, one of the hardest parts of organizing events is working your game around how many participants you have. A game with 30 players runs a lot differently than a game with 150 players. Help these guys out and let them know whether you're serious about showing up or not.

As for the late fee, I think it's pretty warranted given the circumstances. They have to get enough money prior to the 6th in order to have the field held. Do you know what'll happen if they don't make the late fee huge? Everybody will wait for the last minute to pay, assuming that everybody else paid early, and Sky and Chase will be sitting there with their dicks in their hands when it comes time to pay the field owners. If it was their land, I'd agree, the price hike would be a little steep. But since they have to answer to somebody else, they get the thankless task of making sure we all give them what they need to get this game off the ground.

[littlecyclone]

My thoughts are on this are diverse..

I totally understand the hesitancy in allowing walkons. No one wants to be left holding the bag. Not our gracious hosts, the organizers who were so kind to go out of their way to set up such an event, nor the eager players (however many or few) who show up ready to test their mettle. But don’t we take that chance anytime we go to a match we don’t personally control? And before the flamers begin, let me preface by saying I realize the whole point of the prepays is to ensure we are able to secure the field and guarantee of a decent grouping of players. However, as I’m a strong believer in moderation in all things (save for Guinness ), I’d think we would want to carefully balance the two. We want to be open and invite others to join and participate (at a price should they not adhere to the prepay decorum) but this naturally can leave you open to their whims. But, isn’t that the point? Interacting with new(er) people? I mean, if we really wanted to have a totally safe and stress free event where everyone showed up and did exactly as they were told, then why not just hold it in the backyard with your friends?

I totally concur with their being an increased fee for those paying after the necessary due date, and I think there should be an even steeper fee for those showing up the day of the match as a walkon. However, I don’t necessarily think they should be prohibitively high (shrugs), however, as I’m no economics expert, I’ll let others quote pricing But I did like what a previous poster stated as for using said excess funds: for food/beverages or maybe to rent some heaters, as opposed to purchasing someone a new gun

But I think, when it all comes down to it, I’m of the opinion that walkons should be allowed (as I’ve said, with a stiff penalty) for one simple reason: $hit happens. I’m sure we can all regale each other with tales of how plans have suddenly changed from one direction to another until doomsday. Things happen, fate intervenes, etc etc etc. All of a sudden several people who didn’t believe they would be able to attend are now finding themselves with an abundance of time they didn’t previously have in order to RSVP the match. I myself am in that tenuous position. Earlier this week I was told sometime in the next 2 weeks I need to have minor eye surgery. I’ve already signed up for the OP FF match on the 6th in Lansing. If the surgery is before then, I’ll have to cancel that pledge, however my recovery time is predicted to be short enough where I would be able to attend SCEN:Area 51. If its after the 6th, I’ll be able to attend OP FF as scheduled, but no SCEN:Area 51. As you can see, despite our best of intentions, sometimes life will do whatever it wants

I’m also of the same mind as the previous poster who cited people showing up after he mentioned it offhandedly to people who saw him enroute to the match already! Unfortunately, not every airsofter in western MI pays homage to this site Word of mouth takes awhile to get around. Excluding people from the match simply because they were guilty of not being in the loop seems to lend itself to a sort of an elitist attitude. Last I checked we were anything but an elitist group Among other things, this is an opportunity to go out and meet others with our particular hobby/sport/fascination, to hopefully find new targets-I mean, friends, and (most importantly) to have a good time. Even to those rookies only just getting their start.

Arguably all of us would gladly enjoy seeing our sport/hobby/fascination pushed a little more into the limelight. Well, people have to get their starts in airsoft somewhere. Plinking away at one or two other people in small section of woods behind ones house grows tiresome rather quickly. By denying people the right (albeit expensive) to participate as a walkon I think we may in the long run (and this is taking the long view mind you ) turn more people away from our sport/hobby/fascination then encourage them.

Such is my $.02. Take it (or leave it) as you see fit.

[O'Dwah]

Skypilot I understand you're reasoning, but the hostility needs to be turned down a notch. Just because someone wants to know where their own money is going doesn't mean that they're questioning you or Chaseman. We all remember the incident with Doc, and I know that you or Chaseman would never pull a stunt like that, especially since this is being hosted at a well known Paintball facility. So just understand peoples reasoning and concern.

I'm pretty interested in attending, I'll most likely let you know later this weekend.

[Crazyman™]

I think the idea of getting people to confirm their attendance by prepay is good, but all we need is 400 to reserve it, so stop and think... WE ALL WANT TO PLAY there... no need to double it once it's secured, really. It's MORE targets, so relax.

I've talked to Chaseman and he just wants to play there too.

To achieve that, 400 is ALL we need to reserve it... so register to play. Let's just have some fucking fun.

So, lets just get enough people confirmed to reserve this fucking place and have a good time. Stop being the Game Nazi, Sky. Or, I'm kicking you in the taint!

If there's a real need to make people pay a penalty for not pre-registering, have them bring 5-10 cans of food to donate to Chaseman's church or something.

I still love you, though. I have nothing else to say But, you should relax and get this on the ball so we can fucking play.

[theactionman]

Do I really want to play in deep snow? Not really?
Do I really want to pre-pay? Not Really?
Will I? Absolutely because if we can get enough intrest in this game and can play at this awesome field come spring and summer $20 bucks is nothing. I'm prepaying right now Chase. I'm not sure of team yet though.

[SkyPilot]

Roster has been update.

ActionMan has been added.

[X]

Come on people, if you don't register then this game is definitely not going to happen! All we need is 10 guys! I'll have two more soon so thats only 8!

I'll be bringing my new helmet cam.

btw: if there is a low turnout can we allow multicam? pretty please ;D

[Betty Sue (Alphabet)]

It looks like I'll be back in Michigan for Christmas Exodus during this, I think I might get one OP in before the Army kicks my ass Count me down for Civilians. A prepayment will arrive as soon as I get payed (Tomorrow or Monday). Cant wait to throw some plastic at some of you again!

Oh yea... Ive been gone for months now and people are still smiting me? ... We reached the -1,000 goal long ago gentlemen. You can stop now...

[M.S.-ARC]

Nov 27, 2008 22:35:52 GMT -5 Betty Sue (Alphabet) said:

Oh yea... Ive been gone for months now and people are still smiting me? ... We reached the -1,000 goal long ago gentlemen. You can stop now...

People are still smiting you because everyone knows how you ripped off at least two members of MIA.

[Betty Sue (Alphabet)]

Oh snap... Take that shit to PM immediately, I know that Tex is pissed but who else now?

[M.S.-ARC]

Short memory there? I would have sent PM's but the time for that is over since you've ignored my PM's and e-mails (I e-mailed your army e-mail too) since our exchange. Either way, NEW PM sent.

Sorry to thread crap Sky and Chase but crap got on your thread and I had to respond.

ON TOPIC
Get this thing going and pre-register guys. I really want this event to happen. If I didn't have a family event on the 20th I'd be all over this that's why I hope this happens so that there will be another event later on that I can go to.

[Slapjack]

OK money sent for me (US Team)... I may be registering a few more people with my paypal if that is ok...