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Post by The Jack on Oct 16, 2007 22:14:00 GMT -5
I am missing an M4 mag, that I left in the village, that I forgot about, was in the bottom story, of the multi-story building, sitting on a piece of wood, about waist level. It is a hi-cap. Thanks ahead of time. That was found and is in a newly created lost and found box, if you will kindly tell us some details such as the make then we will PM you and get it mailed to you ASAP. Thank you. |
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Post by The Jack on Oct 16, 2007 22:15:24 GMT -5
Sounds good, I'm looking forward to the future upgrades and whatnot of the field. -Mosin Awesome, I think you and everyone else will be thouroghly impressed with the next layout. -Drdeath. |
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Post by Canto on Oct 16, 2007 22:22:05 GMT -5
After watching this debate progress have decided to reiterate my previous statement.
All complaints, comments, and questions have been taken into consideration.
I have also received numerous reports and doubts about us actually doing anything to work on the field. Work is actually in progress. I will not divulge what we are doing. But I guarantee players will like it.
The paintball issue is a rather tough one. The money is just not there for an additional 20 ft higher of netting. Upon a rather interesting conversation between myself, the owner, and Tanner (SmartArms, HITW employee and airsofter) we have come to the decision that the front two rows of parking are not the best for airsoft event parking. The back two rows and the grassy area by where the briefing area is would work best.
I hope I have provided some satisfactory answers for some questions here.
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Post by kustom on Oct 16, 2007 23:30:13 GMT -5
The same thing with paintballs happened last year. I was with Doc when he saw his nice car all splattered up, and I'm surprised he didn't kill the nearest person. I quietly moved away.
Seriously though, we're so concerned about our sport getting wiped out by bad press from illegal displays of weapons, injuries, improper conduct, etc. I love how paintballers consider themselves sportsmen/women of honor because of the paint effect for hits, but they debase thier sport by trashing vehicles that aren't theirs, for what end?
Yes, no one will ever ban paintball, because their guns look like bongs with gumball machines on them. No one will EVER ACCUSE THESE GUYS OF BEING MILSIM. Oh, I know the new Tippmann a-7 has m16/MP5/AK47 mags and other barrel and body sets you can add to make their guns look as real as something with a hopper on it can look. Blow me.
Bad taste, bad form, poor sportsmanship. Maybe we should turn loose the snipers shooting 500fps+ on their cars and fuck up their paintjobs and glass. But we can't since doing that is not only poor taste and sportsmanship, but casts a shadow on our hobby. It's just so sad to see that people who worked so hard to put on an event could let this happen again. I know that the paintballers we acting like kids, and that Hole in the Wall is partially a paintball place too. But we, as airsofters, are being respectful. I don't think it's too much to ask that our "bigger brothers" (in age of their sport, not maturity) in paintball grow a pair and act like sportsmen/women.
Not long ago, relatively, they were in our shoes in terms of the sport. Maybe in 10 years we can act with the same disregard, but for right now, for honor's sake.........
I'm glad we can't afford to.
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Post by operatordoc01 on Oct 17, 2007 0:10:05 GMT -5
Well here is my post on the event. I do not expect to have my post deleted if so I will just repost it. Here are the Pros/Cons of Operation Flash Fire 2 Pro: 1. I got to hang out with Team RAGE and a lot of other cool players that I have played with before. 2. Camp Fire chats with Livona and others was fun as well. 3. Thank you to CJ for the items and you know what I am talking about. 4. Being one of the medics and getting around 50 medic heals and around 10 kills with the p99 it was great. Cons: 1. Players not calling hits, which happens in every event and rec game. 2. Unsafe field structures. I myself almost got stabbed in the shoulder by a nail, rustly one at that. 3. Large. deep, unmakred holes in the villiage. I watched Mavericks friend fall in that whole and break his AEG, Not cool at all. 4. Paintballers shooting at cars. This was a very big issue at the first FF that I was told was going to be taken care of, and it was not even mentioned, as there was nothing done to prevent this from happening again, as the field owner was made aware of this the first time it happened. 5. "Mine Fields", where very unsafe. These where nothing more than major trip hazzards. Along withe nails sticking out of them as well. Not a good idea. 6. Under age drinking, as far as i am concerned this is a big no no. This is a good way to get a lot of bad press for airsoft and see a lot of players and event organizers in a lot of trouble. Lets not have this happen again. 7. The unsafe shooting of people at night around the campfire. I was almost hit on 2 separate occassion's within a 5min time frame. One person acrossed from me almost got it in the face from this. I will not name the shooter as you know who you are. This is the list of the Pros/Cons of this op. I myself will not be returning to this field untill several unsafe practices are changed on this field. With saying this, I will need to see the prof of these changes before I come to anymore events held at this field. OpDoc Doc- I respect your observations and will be glad to say that the entire event runner goup is open for improvement. con 2- You probably should've mentioned this to John when you noticed it. con 3- Current meassurments put the hole at precisely 13 inches and 3 millimeters, so it's kinda klutzy to fall and break your gun in that. con 4- FF one is a year old and that gives the OLD owners of hole in the wall a while to forget not including that they have a LOT more things on their mind than that. It will get our full attention now though. con 5- Like I said to Caleb, those were several in a million little "trip hazards" so let it go. con 6- no comment, I tried to sleep through the damn night. con 7- you were all drunk and very LOUD, I had a hell of a time trying to get to sleep, in fact it sounded like you were approving the shooting. In fact that is what you were doing. I dont think you know to much regaurdless of you trying to sleep the night. 1. I was not even drinking so how could i be drunk. unless it was off of coke. 2. I think if you would have listend better and you know the difference in voice out there. I for one was completely against the idea of people being shot around the camp fire. Do you evne know who shot the 2 rounds at Decon Timm form about 20ft away? Get you facts straight man. |
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Post by Maverick on Oct 17, 2007 5:55:57 GMT -5
I am missing an M4 mag, that I left in the village, that I forgot about, was in the bottom story, of the multi-story building, sitting on a piece of wood, about waist level. It is a hi-cap. Thanks ahead of time. That was found and is in a newly created lost and found box, if you will kindly tell us some details such as the make then we will PM you and get it mailed to you ASAP. Thank you. The mag is actually mine, he was the one using it so I will PM you the details, he probably doesnt know. |
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Post by operatordoc01 on Oct 17, 2007 9:19:38 GMT -5
I have talked to Canto and I hope things get fixed before the next even at this field.
Doc
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Post by Tex on Oct 17, 2007 9:39:50 GMT -5
Oh the glorious things that occur whilst I am out having fun with friends! Well, let me take a brief moment to retort to everything you have said, since well, it's all pretty out of line and off the wall. Firstly tex, I respect you cuz you're a good player and all, but that is really out of line. I completely and fully understand where you are coming from but you really don't need to be talking about this online in front of everyone when you could've just talked to John face-to-face about it (even though you probably and actually did), or on the phone. But bitching about it openly in front of everyone is pretty imature. I don't respect you because I don't know you nor do you have the capability of using spell check or the shift key at the appropriate moments in time while you are posting something that people would perceive as "important". I wouldn't have to post all of this online if my original very "dumbed down" post was not deleted. I don't care if you say John didn't do it. Someone affiliated with your field did, and he provided them with his password. Disgusting. About the paintballs, I think we have all heard our fair share about what happened in the parking lot. If I recall, you even said ohwell to your car getting hit. John actually left a game and went up to investigate the whole thing when you just continued to play. Glen said that he would take care of it but had neither the time nor resources to act upon it at the specific moment. You're quite mistaken, when we reached the car, saw the disgusting splatter I then used what I consider detective skills to figure out where the paint ball came from. It was deducted that either an individual fired the round in the parking lot not 4ft from his vehicle or, severely arced his shot from the far side of the speed ball course. Either way a blatant disregard for safety. And nobody acted upon it because you don't care. You could have pulled together every paint baller and given them a strict talking to, but no, you don't care about our cars as there was no permanent damage. Let me start naming off trip hazards, trees, logs, any foreign object with sufficient space underneath it for a foot to get caught under. Hmmm, I think there's a lot there. That big 2.5 ft. hole in the city has had numerous attempts at filling it but it keeps sinking in. In short there's not a whole lot about it we can do. SO, we put a few sticks around it. You know what, I don't care about the ones that you cannot help. But the ones you purposely create? The nails you lazily leave exposed 2-3''? I am offended that you allowed anyone to play on such a horrendous field. Also the fact that I overheard John talking about how people piss and shit in that hole.... yeah. Don't even start with me on that cesspool of pure grossness. In regards to the field not being utilized properly, there's not a whole lot of time that many of us can make it out to build or make renovations or repairs, so please don't get on us about that. And about the building, of course they're made of 2x4's and tree branches, we're not exactly the richest people in town so we pretty much build with what we can get our hands on. And personally, I never really hear to many complaints about the integrity of the structures from anyone. If it really meant all that much to you, I would think that you would've said something about it during break time or somthing. There is no excuse for poor workmanship. You can make a great building with 2x4s, but you didn't care to take the time to reinforce anything, I am surprised that the structures still stand. And I did say something, I said something last OP too, nobody cared. The disorganization isn't all to be blamed on John (not saying that you are blaming it on John), I do recall that Doc was the US comander so he kind of had a big part in organization to, and you being his right-hand man probably could've stepped in to. HELL NO. We come to play, not to run an event. We do enough running of the events at MOA, when I come to another persons event that I do not get paid a penny at, I do not want to have to be in charge, hence my minor blow up of anger due to no supervision by anyone affiliated with Hole in the Wall. Your last little comment there Tex was pretty uncalled for and immature, speaking of maturity. +1 To You for maturity. You sound like a little kid. My last comment was honest and truthful. AA is a low quality company if they will take a weapon of a customer out of plastic, hand it around a campfire to anyone they want, and then proceed to dry fire it. Don't deny it, there are way too many witnesses. I'll only respond to a few of these because most of them are blatantly obvious that they are just foolishly thought out retorts to obvious problems. con 3- Current meassurments put the hole at precisely 13 inches and 3 millimeters, so it's kinda klutzy to fall and break your gun in that. First, I don't know who measures in two different types of units, but whatever. If the hole which you very well knew about in the middle of a higher traffic area is not properly marked off and someone falls in and injures themselves, you can and will be sued. con 4- FF one is a year old and that gives the OLD owners of hole in the wall a while to forget not including that they have a LOT more things on their mind than that. It will get our full attention now though. Then you don't deserve to host MIA events because you should be mainly concerned with the safety of us players, where, you don't care whatsoever, blatantly shown by the quality of your field. con 7- you were all drunk and very LOUD, I had a hell of a time trying to get to sleep, in fact it sounded like you were approving the shooting. In fact that is what you were doing. It was John who put rounds near the fire where 9 or so people had no eye protection. I shot Kane a few times in the back, no other people were around, no eyes were compromised. I do admit to shooting Deacon Timm in the leg, nobody else was remotely close, and it was inappropriate and I apologized to him for such. We don't care if you were trying to sleep. We had a good time, maybe some actual camping areas where we could put our tents...? Eh, oh well. Of course you would be 50-50, you were down playing airsoft. The people that were up there though are as follows; CJ whitewolf, Samantha Proctor, Jason D(dr. white) and CJ's kids, along with several others. Ask them if you want, I hold nothing against anyone for their opinion. And blindshot did start wiping his car off when he noticed it (approx. 1 min after the shot) and likewise with doc. I did point out and assist them with any spots they missed. WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!! Approximately 1 minute after the shot? So you knew about the shot? So nothing happened to the player? So you admit to not giving a damn about our safety by not immediately stopping the paint ball game and disciplining them? Great. That's just fantastic, thanks for "looking out for us" and "taking care of it." The paintball issue is a rather tough one. The money is just not there for an additional 20 ft higher of netting. Upon a rather interesting conversation between myself, the owner, and Tanner (SmartArms, HITW employee and airsofter) we have come to the decision that the front two rows of parking are not the best for airsoft event parking. The back two rows and the grassy area by where the briefing area is would work best. Put up a Tarp. Like we said before, the parking lot should not be a spectators area anyways, there is a perfectly good spot along side the shop. This is a safety hazard that you apparently don't care about because the amount of $$ you pull in with field paint is more than enough for a few tarps to be hung, hell make them clear tarps. Then you can have your precious spectators parking lot to a degree. Man, this was a great way to wake up, thanks for giving me something to do! |
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Post by Explosives On Hand on Oct 17, 2007 14:24:56 GMT -5
I don't respect you because I don't know you nor do you have the capability of using spell check or the shift key at the appropriate moments in time while you are posting something that people would perceive as "important". I wouldn't have to post all of this online if my original very "dumbed down" post was not deleted. I don't care if you say John didn't do it. Someone affiliated with your field did, and he provided them with his password. Disgusting. Tex, you have absolutely no proof that John or anyone else that deals with Hole in the Wall had anything to do with the deleted posts. Reasoning and assumption ARE NOT proof, so don't start (or rather continue) making accusations like they are. Also, maybe you could have some respect for other players in general. Its wonderful that you have a habit of catching grammatical error, but you're not a moderator. Throwing it in someone's face is asshole-ish. I am offended that you allowed anyone to play on such a horrendous field. Also the fact that I overheard John talking about how people piss and shit in that hole.... yeah. Don't even start with me on that cesspool of pure grossness. John was talking about an outhouse we had built on the field, which we had removed and filled in prior to the event. The well in the village was water ONLY. Not water / piss, or piss, or any other variant of the truth you or Maverick created. My last comment was honest and truthful. AA is a low quality company if they will take a weapon of a customer out of plastic, hand it around a campfire to anyone they want, and then proceed to dry fire it. Don't deny it, there are way too many witnesses. I've talked to several different people that were there, and I have been told that the gun was handed around for people to look at, and it was not fired. It was removed from the packaging by John in order to test it, which is AA policy. We test fire all of our guns before finalizing a sale to make sure any defective weapons are caught before it is passed on to a customer. It was not fired at all, because the battery never left the package. I don't know where you are getting information from, but it is clearly wrong. I could just assume that you were as involved in the after party as you were the night before (I have seen pictures) and that you were too drunk to get your facts straight. Of course giving you the benefit of the doubt is the kind thing to do, but bending the truth to fit your story is absolutely uncalled for. |
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Post by Tex on Oct 17, 2007 16:59:01 GMT -5
Tex, you have absolutely no proof that John or anyone else that deals with Hole in the Wall had anything to do with the deleted posts. Reasoning and assumption ARE NOT proof, so don't start (or rather continue) making accusations like they are. Also, maybe you could have some respect for other players in general. Its wonderful that you have a habit of catching grammatical error, but you're not a moderator. Throwing it in someone's face is asshole-ish. Right, only things negative about the field were deleted, some random third party not affiliated with it was the one who changed it.... makes complete sense. And I have tons of respect for those who earn not. Respect is not something that is just given out to a nobody. I've talked to several different people that were there, and I have been told that the gun was handed around for people to look at, and it was not fired. It was removed from the packaging by John in order to test it, which is AA policy. We test fire all of our guns before finalizing a sale to make sure any defective weapons are caught before it is passed on to a customer. It was not fired at all, because the battery never left the package. I don't know where you are getting information from, but it is clearly wrong. I could just assume that you were as involved in the after party as you were the night before (I have seen pictures) and that you were too drunk to get your facts straight. Of course giving you the benefit of the doubt is the kind thing to do, but bending the truth to fit your story is absolutely uncalled for. My own two eyes as well as all of RAGE. It was DRY fired around the campfire. I have no need to lie. I looked and listened to the clang of metal as it was dry fired. You don't test fire without rounds in it, it's bad for the gearbox. Whatever. You guys are a disgrace to airsoft with no respect for others belongings or our safty. You are also damn lucky the gun didn't get dropped. A customers gun should never be passed around the campfire. Period. |
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Post by Explosives On Hand on Oct 17, 2007 20:42:28 GMT -5
And I have tons of respect for those who earn not. Respect is not something that is just given out to a nobody. I was thinking along the lines of common courtesy, but you obviously have no idea what that means. And Jack is not a nobody. He has been a member of team FLAK for longer than I have, and has played airsoft for longer than half your team. More importantly, he has done hard work and was kind enough to help out at the event. You are a nobody at our events, what little respect was had for you is gone because of this wonderful game of passing the buck you started. My own two eyes as well as all of RAGE. It was DRY fired around the campfire. I have no need to lie. I looked and listened to the clang of metal as it was dry fired. You don't test fire without rounds in it, it's bad for the gearbox. Whatever. You guys are a disgrace to airsoft with no respect for others belongings or our safty. You are also damn lucky the gun didn't get dropped. A customers gun should never be passed around the campfire. Period. Every person I have talked to said the gun was not fired. It was never test fired at all, because people wanted to see it. And you are in absolutely no position to tell me, John, or any other Armory Airsoft or Hole in the Wall staff what we can and cannot do. Stop acting like you have the authority to do so. Oh, and who's not capable of using spell check again? |
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Post by O'Dwah on Oct 17, 2007 21:07:26 GMT -5
Listen, this is going to go no where. If John said he has already started to do something about the situation, I'm going to have to take his word on it, the worst that can happen is that he doesn't do anything, and no one goes the the events that are held in the future.
Lets stop this petty arguing and just drop it, I think the horse is dead, lets just see what progresses from this.
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Post by Tex on Oct 17, 2007 21:09:55 GMT -5
You know what, I almost made a gorgeous retort to that, but it's not worth it, and the amount of PM's I've received rooting me on in this thread, is enough proof to me. I'm respected by those who count, you are respected by... well I'm not really sure, team FLAK? (who the heck is on that anyways? what have they done? nothing? great first event to put on)
Whatever. Have fun fighting online, if you want to take this up in person, which I'm sure you won't since I am bigger than any one of you, and I wouldn't want to mess up your pretty blonde hair, you know where to find me.
And OMG 1 word, of many spelled improperly, the world is truly going to end!
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Post by SkyPilot on Oct 17, 2007 22:13:35 GMT -5
Really are you sure about that? Have you been checking other men out again. ;D
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Post by Tex on Oct 17, 2007 22:19:17 GMT -5
Why do you think I follow you to the bushes when you take a leak Sky? :-p
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