MOA Rec Games (Next Dec 22nd)

[Mosin]

stryker1 said:

Its not to be mean, i was just being nice when i said surrender, then im told that i have to surrender, wtf i would have shooten both guys easly, also I was told by all my team members that no one from the other team says when their hit, they continue to play( team rage) even after they saw them being hit with BBs, but i didnt see that happen. so they were fed up with that and so we had to leave. Oh and by the way, field rules were not told to any of us that were new to the field. all information givin is not to be mean or to bad mouth anyone, just some pointers in the right direction.

I wasn't even fired at except once by a SAW gunner, and two rounds hit my gun, which is usually not constituted as a hit during rec games. I was never fired upon, and I take great offence to you saying that RAGE doesn't call our hits, because I can gaurentee that about 50 people would say against that word, I usually even call ricochets and skims (brushes my hat). I also know that everyone else on our team is just as honest as myself, and why you have to resort to saying that we don't call our hits because you got dominated twice in a row is beyond me.

[Trooper]

Haha, yeah, I have played with RAGE quite a few times, and never once have I witnessed them cheating or not calling there hits.

[GaRcHoW]

That we did. We easily lost both games. Any sight of that Sh*tty $2 knife?

[Mirage]

alright, here is the deal. please pm me with an explanation of what the guy on team RAGE who was not calling their hits was wearing so that i can know who you are talking about. i also have a story of one of you guys not calling their hits... i shot him 3 times with my snipe and he finally called it on his third hit. i can go more into detail with you about this as well if you wish, but only through pm's.

Garchow, i think i know who you are, but i dont think i ever had a convo with you, but if you are the taller guy with the m4 and your buddy was in marpat, then it was fun playing with you. you are a good player and i hope to see you out on the field once more.

EDIT: thanks for posting those Livonia... those rifle pics are beautiful...

[Maverick]

I doubt it, but any game pics?

[MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k)]

cgyarring said:

stryker1 said:

Its not to be mean, i was just being nice when i said surrender, then im told that i have to surrender, wtf i would have shooten both guys easly, also I was told by all my team members that no one from the other team says when their hit, they continue to play( team rage) even after they saw them being hit with BBs, but i didnt see that happen. so they were fed up with that and so we had to leave. Oh and by the way, field rules were not told to any of us that were new to the field.

all information givin is not to be mean or to bad mouth anyone, just some pointers in the right direction.

*sigh* Personally, I wouldn't talk if I were you, especially after I watched a round hit your buddy square in the chest. It was a 70+ yard shot and I have a scope that easily sees pink bb's hitting black under armor. I confronted him later and had 4 people (all friends of his, you included) tell me "it hit the wood and ricocheted", whatever, I dropped it, left it on the field. Now, if it was me who was hit and not calling shots, or anyone with a ghillie on, sorry, but if it lightly hits the jute on our back/head, I absolutely cannot feel it nor hear it. If you tell me that you hit me, I'll call out. Heck Striker93r was plinking me from like 30yards in the back, and I felt and heard nothing, when he told me about it later we had a laugh, I said sorry and there were no hard feelings.

But anyways, wow, trash talking people who welcomed you to the field even though we knew of past occurrences of which you were banned from a field. And you didn't get rules b/c you went and played on the field before Doc or myself gave any sort of briefing. And we established the surrender rule to your 2 buddies when Livonia took out them both at the same time. We plainly told them, that it should be a 1 for 1 ordeal, then let Livonia know of the rule to make sure it was followed in the future. (We never had an issue of a double surrender prior to the 9th).

But anyways, if you have issues you should have brought it up via PM, and then both parties would have resolved this in a much more peaceful manner. Oh, and please, if you return, clean up your garbage, Doc is not your maid.

I cleaned up what I could see, I know I picked some stuff up that wasn't mine. Anyhow, Stryker wasn't banned due to not following rules, he was banned due to a misunderstanding. Stryker had an engagement limit on his M249 because of it's FPS, so, he followed that engagement limit, then when someone on an opposing team tried to flank our spot (in a bus), he got hit by 4 people running lit up by 400fps guns. Stryker didn't even fire a shot. But that's over and done now, you can't bring up past events when you don't fully understand what happened. I could go into more detail via PMs if need be, but, that's a year old dead subject. Also, a bunch of people were already out on the field waiting to play a game, we weren't sure who were running the games, so we went out to the field and they asked if we wanted to have a quick game. So, we did. Since you didn't have the chance to run over rules before THAT game, then you should have before the start of the next one. A bunch of us were waiting at least 10 minutes for the next (second) game to play, you should have took the time then to do it.

operatordoc01 said:

stryker1 said:

Forget surrender, i was just being nice to the guys that i said that too next time there will be no hesitation to put a BB in the back of the head and front of the face of both the guys. So if you like being shot from close range then (surrender will never be said again). Thanks for game.

For the next time the Surrender rules will be given As I am the field owner. Also there is Rules of engagement on this field. You where to close to fire..Less than 20ft. If you wanted I could have shot you in the face as well..400FPS from my pistol at less than 3 ft would have not felt to good. As for being shot in the face at that rage you would have been banned for some time for shooting some one at that range. If you had a question about the surrender rules on this field you should have asked and no one ever did ask. Think about what you are saying first, before you say it.

As for people not calling their hits It should have been Brought to my attention and It never was.

But form all this Thanks for coming out and we hope to see you out there on the Battle Field.

Op-Doc

What is this? I can't fire at someone within 20 ft? I haven't heard of a rule like this, granted I can't fire at someone with a sniper that distance or a 400fps weapon, but if I switched to a sidearm I'm pretty sure I could. Also, I don't think people will want to play with you if you shot him with a 400fps sidearm, why would you need a sidearm with that FPS? The point of a sidearm is for you to have the capability of switching off your primary to a less fps'd weapon that you can use in all engagement limits.

We should not have to ask for rules, the rules should of been presented to us.

Liviona and my teammate had a brief talk over about what happened on the field and we all figured it should of been a 1 for 1 deal, but, Liviona was used to a different set of rules, as were we, so on the field, my teammate and I didn't want to argue, just would of lead to a heated arguement, we all agreed it should of been brought up before the next game. So, I don't blame Liviona for what happened, my teammate and I were just a bit confused. But, that was easily worked out, so, no problems there.

mosin said:

stryker1 said:

Its not to be mean, i was just being nice when i said surrender, then im told that i have to surrender, wtf i would have shooten both guys easly, also I was told by all my team members that no one from the other team says when their hit, they continue to play( team rage) even after they saw them being hit with BBs, but i didnt see that happen. so they were fed up with that and so we had to leave. Oh and by the way, field rules were not told to any of us that were new to the field. all information givin is not to be mean or to bad mouth anyone, just some pointers in the right direction.

I wasn't even fired at except once by a SAW gunner, and two rounds hit my gun, which is usually not constituted as a hit during rec games. I was never fired upon, and I take great offence to you saying that RAGE doesn't call our hits, because I can gaurentee that about 50 people would say against that word, I usually even call ricochets and skims (brushes my hat). I also know that everyone else on our team is just as honest as myself, and why you have to resort to saying that we don't call our hits because you got dominated twice in a row is beyond me.

Every game I have ever played a weapon hit counted as a hit, or, you would have to switch to another weapon as in real life if your weapon was hit it would be nonfunctional, so, again, people used to different rules.

I will say we got dominated, but that's because Team RAGE is way more used to and comfortable with the field, as it is theirs, but it's hard to win a game if we're hitting you in the back of your ghuillie suits, and you simply don't call out because you can't feel it, that allows that player to stay in the game a lot longer and help dominate the opposing team since he is still in the game. That's a hard one to fix, so, I'm not saying that Team RAGE is not honest, obviously it's a different set of circumstances that aren't always avoidable.

The game should of been run a bit better in my opinion, but there's not much I can do about how that game was run, but I can help for the future ones.

First off I would say that everyone should gather around the garage where we paid in order to get a briefing on the rules and how the game is going to work. That could have solved the surrender issues and engagements. Since Stryker had both of you where he wanted to he yelled surrender, saving you both a BB to the back or chest. He could have easily shot the person facing him then the person turned around, but seeing as he had both of you easily shootable, he decided to ask you both to surrender. Having a Fully automatic Mp5 it could have easily been done, where as the sniper engagements when a teammate and I rushed Liviona, it should of been a 1 for 1 deal where one of us stayed in, and Liviona out (as well as one of us). Respawn rules weren't quite explained correctly, as, we thought the medic could respawn us however many times he wanted, whereas if we had to result in the trailer respawn, it was only once and then we were declared dead if killed again unless healed by a medic under 2 minutes.

[Mosin]

Every game I have ever played a weapon hit counted as a hit, or, you would have to switch to another weapon as in real life if your weapon was hit it would be nonfunctional, so, again, people used to different rules.

I will say we got dominated, but that's because Team RAGE is way more used to and comfortable with the field, as it is theirs, but it's hard to win a game if we're hitting you in the back of your ghuillie suits, and you simply don't call out because you can't feel it, that allows that player to stay in the game a lot longer and help dominate the opposing team since he is still in the game. That's a hard one to fix, so, I'm not saying that Team RAGE is not honest, obviously it's a different set of circumstances that aren't always avoidable.

I will admit that we had the homefield advantage, however only one of our players (Tex) has a fluffy enough ghillie suit to not feel a shot. Mirage's ghillie is only a jacket that covers his back, I only wear a ghillie hat, and Doc's ghillie is stringy Jute that is almost like not wearing one at all. I think it's rather lame that you would even keep saying excuses to explain the games, you guys did hold a very good challenge, that is for sure.

But to be completely honest about those gun shots, they were complete arc shots that were almost coming from above, now if we were talking real steel, those bullets wouldn't have hit me because I was well behind cover, they were just raining at an angle and I had my gun out in front of me, reguardless none hit my jacket or me, just one hit the stock and another bounced off the tac cam.

I do agree that the rule system needed to be more well covered, but overall it was a good day and I had a blast playing.

[MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k)]

We aren't talking real steel strictly because I wouldn't have to arc my shot, but in Airsoft, we don't have the capability to hit more precise long distance targets, so, sometimes you have to arc it (depending on the situation or your hop-up). We strictly kept a good hold because we had to wait for you guys to slowly crawl up for us even to see you, even then we couldn't hit you. The majority of the game I would have to say was more or less of a waiting game.

I'd just have to say, that the teams were mismatched, all snipers vs. different fps'd AEGs and one sniper that was the first time the person ever used it. Teams need to be better balanced next time (in my opinion).

[Mosin]

I agree with you on that, however that just because it was mainly our team (Livonia being the only acception) but if anything it would be more of an advantage for you guys, because you all have a good rate of fire. I shot my semi-auto rifle for the first game but I switched to the MP5 for the second because I did notice that our team was insanely populated with snipers, so I had something for a good RoF. Reguardless I saw you guys do very well as well as keep us really pinned, but I will agree that it was the fact that it was our field that helped us a bit more. Sad to see you guys leave early though, it would have been nice to do a smaller more fast paced game (I was planning on suggesting it).

[Mirage]

here is what i get from this. the rules did need to be a bit more explained. i understand why they werent in a way, because most of us had played at Doc's events already and knew the rules, but i agree that the rules should be more explained from now on.

you guys did put up a good fight though as well, which is why the games lasted so long.

bummer you guys left early as well, as i was looking for more gameplay.

[MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k)]

Well, most of our team's guns managed to stop working on us. A teammate of mine's AK just suddenly stopped working, somehow the motor became misaligned so that put him out. Half of my batteries were dead for some reason (I charged them the night before) so that put my spare 2 guns out of order there, and my teammates M4's batteries died as well and he was sick of caring around the M249 so switched to the Mp5.

If all that hadn't have happened, we probably may of stayed. Stryker was a bit hot under the collar still about the surrender kills, but I can understand his frustration. He was used to a different set of rules, and apparently, so were you guys. We are used to 1fps - 350fps allowed to be used under an arms length engagement, as set by MiA rules;

1-350 fps or 1.20J max - arms length engagement limit
351-410 fps or 1.69J max - 20 foot engagement limit
411-550 fps or 3.18J max - 50 foot engagement limit
551+ fps or over 3.18J - prohibited or allowed by permission of event host only

So, he going by those rules, decided instead to get close enough up to you, and call you both to surrender.

Knowing Stryker, I knew the day wasn't going to go that well for him since he was still a tad mad at that, so, we decided it would be best we leave since my teammate and I (Brad, Mp5 SD5) were the only 2 with our own working guns. Plus Stryker and Fixus (one whose AK crapped out on him) had homework for college due, so, they had to do that.

I'm not going to say we had a terrible time, the first game was a blast, got to use our smoke grenades, but, it wasn't that great (but mostly because our team was switching through guns because either the gun stopped working, or the battery died). In any case, I hope we'll be able to come up there again, with fully charged batteries and fully functional guns as well, and have a great time with better balanced teams and the rules/surrender issues better laid out.

[operatordoc01]

All right, here it is

The 400FPS side arm is a TM MK23 SOCOM pistol that with the silencer attached can achieve 400FPS, and at close range my shot would be in the lower body, and never near the face.

RULES: You are right, the rules should have been covered better before we started to play, That is my fault. I will be now posting up all rules with all rec game postings in the future.

Teams: This should have been more of a mix. Team RAGE has not played together in a while and that is why we did that.

Also I was wanting a faster paced game my self I was getting ready to switch to my SAW or my Commando.

I hope you guys will come to the next Rec game and to Op Aurora. Again I am sorry about all the confusion.

OpDoc

[Tex]

Thanks for coming down to play with us this time Garchow It was nice to put a face to your name, would definitely enjoy playing with you again, and much thanks for taking time out to try and help me find the piece that I lost to my revolver, I appreciate it.

And to whomever it was I got in the finger tip with the revolver and then you got bit in the arse by the dog, I have nothing else to say, sorry bro!

[operatordoc01]

As for the mulit guns going down for you guys, you should have brought that to use we had our Airsoft Tech there could have got them up and running, as for the batterys they same thing we have a quick charger on hand could have gotten them charged up for you.

[MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k)]

We were considering recharging the batteries, I had my charger there, but, we ended up not asking (don't remember why). My friends AK took the SMALLEST damn allen wrench on the planet, we weren't sure if anyone had it. The problem with the batteries were they were pretty big/beefy (9.6v 3300mAhs) so it would of took a while for it to recharge. So, we figured not to (we didn't pull them out until after the second game, so, there wasn't much time to get them charged, so we said screw it).