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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 21:44:54 GMT -5
Alright...
1.) No letters 2.) Filled-in Sword, BIG 3.) BIG RUNES
What if I had the full name on top, like the 101st Airborne does? Or something like that?
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Post by Zorak on Apr 4, 2005 21:51:13 GMT -5
What if I had the full name on top, like the 101st Airborne does? Or something like that? The full name wouldn't be legible, but just PHANTOM might work OK. I'd like to see how it came out.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 21:55:47 GMT -5
Hey, Zorak isn't the only one with a valid opinion, where's the rest of you guys?!
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Post by Zorak on Apr 4, 2005 21:58:35 GMT -5
Zorak isn't the only one with a valid opinion That's where you're wrong. ;D
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Post by Jacko on Apr 4, 2005 21:58:35 GMT -5
I'll fiddle with some of the designs tonight, cool?
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Post by Mite on Apr 4, 2005 22:14:27 GMT -5
Hey, sorry I had a life to attend to so I couldn't continue responding promptly (you are to infer from this comment that Zorak has no life). Yes, big sword good (it should nearly span the diameter of the patch) Apparently, you like the inversing concept. I thought some of the US army division patches that employed it looked very nice. I would go without any letters. I would pull the symbols off the sword. Put two of the symbols to the left and right of the blade on the top half, and two of the symbols to the left and right on the bottom half. No circles around the symbols. No other text. Don't position the symbols too close to the sword. By the way, 4" diameter is probably a bit on the big side, personally I wouldn't go any bigger than 3" (really I'd shoot for 2.5"). Before you actually make the patches print them in a variety of sizes and cut them out, then tape to a uniform so you can pick a size that seems reasonable. I can't wait to see Jacko's work! By the way, things like thin outlines around things will not show up at distance. That is why, in my lame example, I went with solid blocks of color, no outlines (save the edging around the perimeter of the patch). I think you'll find the technique you used in your 6th patch would retain better visibility at distance. Take the knives and the "PO" off, and use that to move the symbols as described above. Symbols should be single solid colors (color appropriate to the color of the background where the symbol is located). That's all my input. Mite
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 22:21:21 GMT -5
See, but I don't know how well the symbols in a square will work, because they wanted the strength at the front of the sword and defense at the back.. I think I mentioned how stuck on these things he is.. he's stuck on his own ideas, I suppose... ((His sn is GeneralPatten if you want to give him a ring on how busy his logo was)).
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Post by Mite on Apr 4, 2005 22:27:55 GMT -5
so put the strength rune in the top half (with one of the other runes) and the defense rune on the bottom half.
The hand drawing you posted a few messages ago, would be a fine start for a crest which can have a lot more detail. If you read the first message I posted in this thread is has a link to army division patches and crests. Please read it, it was near the middle on page 3.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 22:29:40 GMT -5
I did, I went there, gave me lots of inspiration and a good backup for why his patch wouldn't work.
And they want the runes to be on the sword or in the middle, so what about a diamond instead of a square? Then two runes would be on the splitting line.
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Post by Mite on Apr 4, 2005 22:33:06 GMT -5
Give it a try and see if you can make the composition work.
The sword should be as big as possible. It is your key element and will be repeated in the crest. By the way, it is not unusual for crests to have text and all that. But patches need to be simple and visually clear. As I said in an earlier post, I think you guys need both.
That way your teammates will be happy, they'll have a crest with all the complicated design elements (good for use on your team's web page) and they'll have a patch that anyone can readily identify in the field.
What could be better than that!?
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<edit> Remember, it is hard to get everything you (or others) might want on a good patch. On a patch the function should be paramount and the form can follow. On a crest it is all about being pretty and multi colored and more visually stunning. The patch is not the place to make all your statements, that would be the crest's pupose</edit>
<more edit>As for our opinions on how busy the patch was/is, just have him read this thread</more edit>
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 22:43:12 GMT -5
If you want to know what the site looks like so you can give feedback on what the crest should/could/would look like, here's the site: www.geocities.com/phantomoperations. Also, feel free to give me feedback on the site as well! EDIT: And would it be bad to have the patch be black and light blue, like the site, or even black and a gray?
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Post by Jacko on Apr 4, 2005 23:10:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, the patch colors don't really matter. Patches usually aren't very big and out in the field, someone is going to see your face before they see your patch simply due to our goggles/headwear. I've never had someone spot me due to my patch, which is black and lime, almost neon, green. They usually see the big black gun in my hands first.
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Post by tZ on Apr 5, 2005 6:12:50 GMT -5
allready ..!.. ;D If your friend wants is his way or the high way. Then you either do it his way and sacrific design if need be or not do it at all. Sometimes "clients" don't get the whole "design" thing. Make him happy and get over it... since he's kinda like your client. If this were a real world transaction the goal would be to make the client happy. The goal in commercial artwork is exact inverse of personal artwork. Personal artwork you do what is best for the piece. However, commercial the emphasis is on what the client wants more so then how great the design will be. At times both don't work hand in hand .... when that happens it is allways better to keep a client then lose them. If a shitty design makes him happy then so be it. I mean if someone tryuy has thier mind set on an idea you are not going to change it. As the designer you can only do so much to educate the client. After that..... its just making the client happy in the real world cause ..... people have to make a living and have other jobs to fill with a limited budget per each. However, since this isn't a buissness transaction and the end product will reflect upon your team i would personal tell him to do it himself. This way once he realizes how hard it is maybe he'll give you more lee way on your design and belive it more so then he had prior. Hopefully letting you procede with your design over his. You can't look at comercial work as artowrk in personal sense. The fact is you have a sevice and you are "selling" it. Like any other service you need to make clients happy. Stopping with the bullshit this is designer to designer advice.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 5, 2005 9:40:06 GMT -5
Thanks infamous.
Yeah, I would like a black/neon blue colors like the website. I think that would look cool, and it is true that they'd see the face first, so I'll work on those new designs, with no letters, full sword, etc. today sometime.
I also had a new idea. What if we scratched the sword and put like a "scream" mask or ghost face, go more towards the phantom aspect? Do you guys think that would work out well?
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Post by Munin on Apr 5, 2005 9:46:04 GMT -5
For once tZ and I agree.
For what it's worth, the diamond shape for the runes was what I was getting at earlier. The reason I said "square" is because each leg of the diamond should be the same length. Make sense?
I'll dink around with this a little bit later today and see what I come up with.
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