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Post by Josh Walrus on Apr 4, 2005 16:39:52 GMT -5
Todd, Im glad your in college and somehow still skate by with spelling the word "probably" with one B, no A, and an M for flavor, completely slaughtering the word.
I is prombly a speakins outta turn thow, nones of us ain't witchout faults.
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Post by Munin on Apr 4, 2005 17:28:29 GMT -5
inFamous1 (the artist-in-training formerly known as tZ) wrote: "I'm assuming your knowledge of vector over raster comes from the dictonary and no expierience. So i'm just going to leave that be."
You could assume that. Or you could not assume, and thus not be wrong when I tell you that my experience with raster and vector comes from the industry that spawned the terms in the first place - digital imagery and geospatial information systems. We're not all idiots, tZ. Some of us have been pushing pixels for almost as long as you've been alive.
Mite hit on exactly the kind of thing I was trying to relate - simple, straightforward, and discernable from a distance. Those are the hallmarks of a good unit identification scheme.
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Post by Mite on Apr 4, 2005 17:47:05 GMT -5
One other thought I had would be to ditch the two knives and put the four symbols back in (arranged in a square, as suggested by Munin). Two below the inverse line, two above the inverse line. You'd want the symbols to be a decent size, but you should keep them towards the outer edge so they don't clutter up the sword too much. I would lean towards NOT putting the symbols in circles unless the circles have significance. Using the circle will make the symbol smaller for a given amount of patch real-estate. And bigger and simplier are always better.
I think it might start to look busy again, but feel free to give it a shot and put some new samples up.
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Post by Nightcrawler on Apr 4, 2005 18:08:25 GMT -5
Wow, Mite. I actually kinda like your design. The two-tone is cool but I think that the OD color could stand to be darker.
Is there a significance to the twin curved blades at the bottom? If they are just there to take up space and to make the patch less simplistic, they could perhaps be replaced with something that expresses more about the team. [/end my to cents]
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Post by Gestapo on Apr 4, 2005 18:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by Josh Walrus on Apr 4, 2005 20:12:05 GMT -5
You should prombly use any program that I do, because I am the best at this stuff... prombly anyway >_<, thats what my teacher told me
Im good at drawring ulso
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 20:19:14 GMT -5
In response to the runes:
Top of sword - Strength - keep your strength to the front Base of sword - Defence - keep your defense close by your side Left side - Commitment - commitment to the team and to eachother Right side - Cooperation - cooperation with the team and with eachother
Blades - Fighting for the Glory of God - we're all Christians, and for those who aren't, it's Fighting for What You Believe In
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 20:50:09 GMT -5
On a side note... infamous, you're obviously not well-liked here, so as a fellow person, shut up. Alright, here's a showing of all the logos I came up with, including the first two. I'm sorry I couldn't put more effort into them, but I didn't quite read all the posts, I got what I could out of them, and here's what I got. Should I make a poll with all 4 or 6 of these? So we can get a direct vote?
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Post by Zorak on Apr 4, 2005 21:19:39 GMT -5
I think they're all way too complicated for a patch. Step back eight feet from your screen and look at them. Any symbol that you can't clearly see should be deleted. (And actually, this test is too easy. I should be asking you to splash some mud on the screen, too ) I'd eliminate all letters and go with a strong, basic theme that people will be able to recognize. Put "PO" or "Phantom Ops" on a nametape if you feel the need to advertise the name of the team, but keep the shoulder patch as iconic as possible. IMO having a common shoulder patch is a tricky business. It's going to link all your team members together, and it may be the first exposure people have to the idea that you are a team. If they look at the patch and don't like what they see, they'll form a negative impression about your team from the get-go. If the patch impresses them, they'll start out impressed by your team. Such being the case, don't buy until you and all your teammates are truly sure you've got the right patch. That being said, I like the second-to-last design the best.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 21:26:05 GMT -5
I didn't know, I figured putting the names would be necesary I guess... since we're not well-known, something along those lines. Well, 8 feet wouldn't do it, these are 4 inch patches, on my screen they're 1 and a half to 2 inches... and we used to have a really ugly patch, that they designed, I'll show it: That's what they wanted, I told them it sucked and was too busy and it wasn't even a patch, but he wanted it anyways, so I designed these ones and hopefully he'll realize these new ones are better.
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Post by Jacko on Apr 4, 2005 21:30:23 GMT -5
I think the 4th one, if you axed the letters, would be best.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 21:33:02 GMT -5
Hmm... too tired to do this, but what if I took the sword from number 6, where there's no outline and it's filled in, made it bigger so it stood out more, and put that in number 4, and axed the letters... is that what you mean?
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Post by Zorak on Apr 4, 2005 21:33:10 GMT -5
I didn't know, I figured putting the names would be necesary I guess... since we're not well-known The way I see it, if you impress them, they'll ask what team you're on, and then they'll be able to associate the patch with the team. If you don't impress them, they won't care what team you're on anyway.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 4, 2005 21:34:20 GMT -5
So which one is the most impressive? Or which one can I make the most impressive and how?
BTW, thanks for all your help guys... even you infamous.
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Post by Zorak on Apr 4, 2005 21:39:25 GMT -5
So which one is the most impressive? Or which one can I make the most impressive and how? Ditch the letters, seriously. On a 4" patch nobody will be able to see what they are unless they're standing right next to you, and even then, the symbolism will escape them. If you have a web site and want a full-screen banner, sure, put them in, but not for a patch. If you still want the letters, take the second to last design's layout, use the solid blade from the last design, and omit the runes. If you can l live without the PO, replace the letters with knives or something else that will work. You might even be able to replace the letters with runes and come up with something cool. Hmmm... it occurs to me that "PO" doesn't really identify your team anyway. If I see "PO", my first two thoughts are "pissed off" and "post office."
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