New Motors

[Bigmack]

hey...i was on Redwolf a few minutes ago...and they have these new EG1100 motors...they're swappable with the current motors...they make them for the AK's and the rest of the guns...anyone heard anything about them?

[Locutus]

I have heard that these are not TM motors but AE motors... Can't remember where or if it were creditable though?

[Unnamed]

wow
i bet those offer a killer rof

[retraw]

no , the ae's are 2000,    right?

[retraw]

  I just went and checked it, that shit is awesome. it is called a hummer, and is not an ics. www.redwolfairsoft.com/Accessories/aeg_internal_parts.htm   check this shit out!!!!!

[Unnamed]

thats awesome. I bet you could fire over 1000 rpm with one of those.

[Viking]

See I don’t know about that. I know very little about motors but anyway my M4A1 has a EG1000. And those of you who have fired my M4 know that rof is very low compared to say oh my Mp5A4 that has a EG700. Now maybe it’s just that my M4 is powered by a mini battery and my A4 is powered by a large battery. But I always thought that the higher numbered motor the higher torque not rof. Meaning it’s more powerful. I mean heck you look at the Famas that have EG560 and it’s suppose to have the highest stock rof of them all. Sigh, I’m prolly an idiot.

[Newman]

Viking, I never *try* to be critical, if you ever look in my former posts, but it can seem like that.  Therefore, this is not meant to be critical, just informative and inquisitive.

Your large battery looked to me to be a 9.6 volt battery.  That means that the ROF in your MP5A4 is a lot higher than an MP5A4 with an 8.4 volt battery.When I asked you about it at the last skirmish, you seemed bewildered at my question of "if it is 9.6 or 8.4 volts".

[Viking]

As a former rc car racer I do know the difference of battery voltage and the role they play. When u asked me at the skirmish which I vaguely remember trying to keep tabs on 10 people in my basement I did not know weather it was 8.4 or 9.6. And I still don’t know; the cells are turned in such a manner where I cannot get a clear reading of it. But that is just what my point is. It’s more on the battery then the motor. You put enough juice into an EG 700 and your going to get the RPM you want. The EG1100 means its more powerful which is turn should give you greater fps correct? Not greater ROF. Unless you hooked up a huge battery to it, but just the motor ALONE EG1100 is going to give u higher torque not rof right? Batteries aside!

[Ed]

I think the EG1100 motor is for use in heavily upgraded gearboxes.  The problem with hi-moded AEG's is that they have a low rof and go through batteries like no other.  I think the EG1100 will offer more capability with a higher battery.  In my experiance the battery (quality and amount of cells) make a big difference with performance.  

I wouldn't think that if you had a stick or mini battery (like in the M4), that you would have much performance differance with the 1100 than the stock motor.

EG1100 motor: $55
Hi-speed bushings: $25

There are cheaper things that you can do with your gearbox.

[PimP]

I don't know about that...I used to own a stock TM SR-16 much like JackStraws. I could empty the 68rnd mag in 2-3 seconds with my 9.6v 2000mah battery. Of course fully charged. thant would be about 20 or so rounds a second. Easily one of the highest rates of fire I have ever seen. Now Chewy, who owns a stock M16 with the same motor as my gun(EG1000) and ran like a 8.4v 13000mah battery and his ROF was quite slower then mine, emptying the 68rnd mag in 3-4 seconds. So I personaly think that the difference is the battery.

[Locutus]

Hey guys, this subject can seem complicated, but its real simple after you understand the basics of gear ratios, let me try and break it down for you some.  

The gear ratios in your mech box determine the ROF and power of your AEG. You can either have a lot of speed, while compromising power, a lot of power while comprimosing speed, or a balance of both. Power is needed to compress large springs. The larger the spring, the more power needed.

The voltage of the battery also affects the power and ROF of the AEG. The more voltage applied to the motor, the more "energy" the motor has. This energy will translate into BOTH more power and speed from the mechbox, the ratio of the power to speed will be determined by the ratios of the mech box.

A more powerful motor does not mean you have a faster rate of fire. Ever notice that some euro sports cars with 4 cyclinder engines will blow the doors off of a 60's US muscle car? Same thing applies here. However, hook up a camper trailer to that sports car and see how far it gets, probably wont budge it. While the muscle car could pull the thing to Delaware.

So you can think of AEG motors along those same lines. The EG560 is like a 4 cyclinder, the EG700 a V6, and EG1000 a V8.

The TM FAMAS uses a high speed gearset with the EG560 to achieve its high ROF, but you will never get the FAMAS to be able to go above an m100 spring, the motor lacks the power to compress that high of a spring (maybe a m120, but thats pushing it, and the high speed gearset couldnt take the torque). This is why the TM FAMAS comes with the unique gearset stock, since this AEG will never pull a large spring, might as well make it as fast as it can be.

The TM M4A1 uses the EG1000 with a more conservative speed gearset, because of the large motor, it can take a much stronger spring and still have a very high ROF without the use of high speed gears. If you were to install a high speed gearset like in the FAMAS, you would accieve a much greater rate of fire than the FAMAS. But with its current setup, you have the best of both worlds.

The eg700 AEGs fall inbetween these two.

So if you were to install a larger motor than what you currently have, you would get increased ROF as well as increased "compression power" (for lack of a better term). The gear ratios would determine the increase in each area respectively. So in a TM FAMAS, this would relate to a huge increase in speed, but very little increase in power, respectively. In a TM M4A1, a larger motor would deliver more power and speed equally.

Since I am no expert, there maybe a few errors in this.. but for the most part you will get the idea.

Hope that clears that up for some.  ;D

[Locutus]

Oh, and Viking, you can tell what voltage your battery is by counting the cells. All large batteries use 1.2V sub-C cells. So a 8.4v will have 7 cells while a 9.6v has 8 cells.

[Viking]

8 cells so it’s a 9.6v

Thanks Loc that cleared up a lot, so there are many more factors then just battery/motor. Spring, gears, etc.

[Unnamed]

Thank you, that was quite informative