fofuz
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Post by fofuz on Aug 10, 2002 12:06:16 GMT -5
Looking to buy a gun, and I think I like these two the most. I'm not really that concerned with upgrades since I'm new and I'd rather get a feel for the game before I start changing stuff. I wanted to know what you guys thought. I talked with Omegasniper and he liked the m4.
So, what do you guys think?
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Post by Knief on Aug 10, 2002 16:18:46 GMT -5
We can NOT tell you which gun to get as we are not the people that are going to be running around in the field with it. Both guns (and pretty much all TM aegs) will preform very similarly. There are a few things to consider. The first is battery capacity. the AK is meant to take a large battery in the stock where as the M4 has to take a mini in the foregrip. But tht M-4 can be modded to take a larger battery simply by re/moving the fuse, so that's not an issue. the second is mag capacit. The Ak has a much larger hicap at about doulbe the capacity, but if you're going to use standards, then it's not an issue because the difference is one 2 bbs. And even if you do use hicaps, 600 rounds is kind of excessive per mag, especially if you have more than two, so 300 per mag is still pretty good. i get by with two mp5 hicaps, and ususally don't use them both, so it really shouldn't be that much of an issue anyway. The third considerationis barrel length. a longer barrel will make the gun more accurate at longer ranges. that might be something that you want to consider, but the barrel length can be changed latter by buying a silencer and running a longer barrel through that. So again, it's not that much of an issue, but so far the most important that i've listed. The fourth main concern you should look at is any specific problem that happens to that series of guns. The M4 is plauged with barrel wobble, which can be a pertty awful problem, but there are numerous fixes for that. i don;t know of any major issues the AK has similar to that barrel wobble of the M4, maybe some AK owners can shed a little light on that. *Glances at Viking* The final consideration, and probably the most important is looks. How you feel about the gun that you're toting around is what you need to base your purchase on. If you like the Armalite look, then go with that, if you like the AK series, then go with that. You won't be satisfied until you get the gun you truely desire. Go with your gut instinct on which gun you like better. If you're not sure, flip a coin. if you feel bad about the gun it landed on, then go with the other. If you're indifferent or happy, then go with that gun. And Omega, no offense, but yo uown neither gun, so it's hard to know what you'er basing you recomendation off of as you would not first hand many issues that could come into play later down the road with the gun of choice, or what you reccommend. It's rather a personal preference. His may be different than yours, so when you give people advice, try not to include your own biases. if you're still looking for information on either gun, please seach on www.airsoftohio.com , www.airsoftplayers.com , www.airsoftzone.com , www.arniesairsoft.co.uk . you will find a wealth of information about any gun of your choice through searching these sites. On airsoft players, be sure to check the review section as well as the forums, same goes with arnies airsoft as well.
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fofuz
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Post by fofuz on Aug 10, 2002 16:47:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the informative response. When I really think about it, I like the AK better. I'll probably end up going with that. I'd still like everyone's opinion though, so feel free.
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Post by Knief on Aug 10, 2002 17:22:38 GMT -5
If you like the AK better, than you won't be happy until you own the AK, so go with that.
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Post by Bigmack on Aug 10, 2002 17:36:09 GMT -5
i've got both. go the AK route.
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Post by Knief on Aug 10, 2002 17:47:22 GMT -5
Nice job throwing all of my advice out the window in one sentence, Bigmack.
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Post by fofuz on Aug 10, 2002 17:48:12 GMT -5
haha, thanks guys. I guess I'm going with the AK
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Post by Bigmack on Aug 10, 2002 19:04:22 GMT -5
2 sentences. ;D
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Post by Viking on Aug 10, 2002 21:30:24 GMT -5
I have owned both and I too would say the same as Bigmack. Ill start by just listing a few pros the AK has that totally surprised me when I got it and as I have owned it for a while now.
- The gun is rock solid, no creeks no cracks. The gun might need tightening up every 15,000 rounds or so but its no biggie.
- As much as we like to say all TM AEGS are about the same out of the box the more and more I try new guns the more and more I realize that isn’t so. My AK with a 9.6 large battery stock internals is shooting 280 with .20s, that’s high end when it comes to stock guns. Though the difference might just be 10 or 15 fps it really is noticeable on both ends of the gun.
- The AK also has a V3 mechbox, and from what I have been told this mech box is extremely easy to upgrade and can accept more upgrades then the earlier versions.
- Range, I don’t know why, but anyone who has played at my games and had the honor of shooting my ak will agree it has great range! Shoots far and straight, I often have people wondering if its been upgraded and surprising them when I said nope, its stock.
Now, some people like M4s, I am one of them, I don’t particularly like the airsoft version but in RL I love the M4. In my opinion the M4 out of the box is nothing to get excited about, now when an M4 is upgraded like any AEG the gun is awesome, a couple examples of these awesome M4s would be Newman’s, WTS-Mike’s and WTS-Clayton’s.
A big factor in buying an AK sits on its iron sights. The iron sights on the AK get some getting use to, you either love them like me or you hate them.
The best advice I could think of is to take a trip down to Wolverine Tactical and talk with Mike. Hold both the M4 and the AK, while holding them make note of the feel. Does one gun seem to light or to heavy? Check out the iron sights, which do you like best? Look at the finish; do you like that light gray receiver on the M4? Do you like the fake but realistic looking wood grips on the AK?
Another important note will be: cosmetic accessories. The Armalite series of AEGs have more cosmetic accessories then you can count! The ak on the other hand have very few, metal bodies, flash hiders, different style grips, ability to use silencers etc.
After you have thought about it then make a decision.
I myself would recommend an AK47 to any airsoft player wanting a great gun that they will most likely hold onto for a very long time. As of today I have held pretty much every single TM AEG except an UZI, and to me the AK is the best feeling. And of the stock guns I have used it’s the best performing. All the guys I play with on a normal basis have upgraded guns, and by no means do I ever feel out gunned when going into battle against them, I feel at par or at times I feel like I have the advantage with my AK. Cheers.
BTW: I am going to be upgrading my AK shortly here, just when the gun seemed like it couldn’t get any better!
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Post by Newman on Aug 10, 2002 22:05:45 GMT -5
I own an M4, and after owning it for several months, I have come to the conclusion that, simply put, the Tokyo Marui M4 is not as good as the (Tokyo Marui) AK47.
I have used both, have upgraded/fixed both, and the AK simply is better...for all the reasons Viking specified.
However, there's always "the kicker", and that's because I just like pointing this out: in an Airsoft or real-life combat situation, I would like to have an *upgraded* M4 (in Airsoft, obviously) as a weapon more than an AK (upgraded or not) by far. It is lighter, easier to customize to a person's liking, has much faster acquisition sights to use, and in my opinion, is a lot easier to handle (biggest thing). If I had to pick a gun "stock" to use, I'd choose the AUG or AK, and the M4/SR16/XM177 would be at the end of the list. They just simply suck compared to other guns in stock form, at least when I try them.
But like I said above, if you want a great gun that performs *superbly* right after you open the box, go out and buy an AK. However, if you love the handling/looks/upgradibility of the M4, go out and buy it, and upgrade it eventually. That is, if everybody else does...one person upgrading a gun in a group of people who use stock guns leads to a crazy upgrade frenzy that leaves everyone hurting more and thinking it's the gun, not the person behind the gun...but anyway...back to the subject at hand.
There, it has been finally said. Somebody who owns an (Airsoft) M4 has said that an (Airsoft) AK is better. It took long enough.
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Post by Bigmack on Aug 11, 2002 0:03:23 GMT -5
ohh...so i don't own both, Newman? ;D
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Post by Buddah on Aug 11, 2002 12:56:40 GMT -5
I would also go with the AK i own the AK beta Spetsnaz which is the newest AK
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Post by Newman on Aug 11, 2002 13:10:45 GMT -5
You don't count, Bigmack. It's coming from a guy who ONLY owns an M4, and has seen and played with an AK. You have a "conflict of interest" of sorts when you say which one is better, hehe.
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Post by Ballista on Aug 11, 2002 13:44:25 GMT -5
The only real advantage I see for the AK47 is its battery capacity. It has the best fit and finish of all the airsoft guns I've held, but it feels so much better, IMO, to run around with an M4 in your hands. Barrel wobble can be fixed. BTW, the SR16 is superior to both.
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Post by Motown on Aug 11, 2002 15:45:10 GMT -5
Well, coming from a person who owns neither (damn happy with my MP5A4 if I might add) I dont really like the way the commieness of the AK47 looks. Sure, it may be the better spec wise, but, the M4 is prettier, and you can get the gadgets for it, like newman pointed out.
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