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Post by Jacko on Jan 14, 2003 21:47:52 GMT -5
I'm torn on what sort of sniper rifle I'd like to purchase. I definitely want an AEG w/conversion sort of deal, and this is what I'm looking at:
- Get an SR16 and buy a 20" V-Match kit
- Get an AK47 and buy an SVD kit
- Get a G3/SG1 and buy an MSG90 kit.
Obviously, the SVD would be the most expensive option, while the VMatch kit would be the least. Want I want to know is, what kind of experiences people have had with all three kits (If applicable) I know there's a handful of SVD kits out there, and the MSG90 kit is pretty much brand new, but any help is appreciated.
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Post by Minky on Jan 15, 2003 0:24:17 GMT -5
You already have that SR16 from Jackstraw right? If you still have it, I'd go with that as a base since that cost is already taken care of. You should talk to frostee if you decide to go the SR16 route, since his is highly upgraded and pretty nice from what I hear.
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Post by Jacko on Jan 15, 2003 10:02:35 GMT -5
Oh, frostee and I have talked extensively about SR-25's. From what I gather, they're really heavy, and while that's all good, it's not something I wanna lug around all day.
I would transform the SR16, but I like it's size and that would make my only outdoor suitable AEG a sniper rifle. I do like to run at people and assault, so... I'm looking for a whole new setup. :/
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Post by Minky on Jan 15, 2003 10:18:40 GMT -5
What FPS are you thinking of running in this set-up? Depending on how high you want to go, you might want to go with a stronger replacement gearbox, or go with a gun that uses the Version 3 'box such as the AK. Inner barrel length is another issue, but with each choice having a conversion kit, you'll probably be running longer than stock barrels in them right? Since you're going to keep the SR16 you already have in its current form, I'd say go with a different gun model for a sniper base. No matter what you choose, it's gonna be big and heavy, heh. ;D I dunno, after seeing frostee's APS2 in action, I'm tempted to say there's no way an AEG can ever compete with a nicely upgraded bolt action..... you sure you don't want to just sink your money into a spring sniper rifle?
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Post by frostee on Jan 15, 2003 13:02:55 GMT -5
Yeah, you sure you don't want to go with a bolt action, because I have a few ideas I'd like to see in action, but I don't have money to try them all, he he. ;D Well, you know where might thoughts lie with the SR-15 or SR-25 conversions, but there are other things you can do with the SR, like put an M16 or PSG front end on it. Plus, there are all the other accessories made for the M16/M4 variants. If you don't mind switching assemblies you can always get a longer front end kit and swap it out depending on what position you want to play for that game. I know the next few paragraphs are going to seem a bit off topic, but they're not. My thought for anyone who really enjoys playing airsoft as a military simulation (as I believe you do), and who is thinking about playing in a sniper role is to really consider all the aspects of that position. I know its easy enough to get the airsoft gun and upgrade it and say that your playing sniper, but I think most people don't have an understanding of what that means. Playing as a sniper you have long periods of inactivity and then brief periods of actual shooting. And during those brief periods you may only take one shot. You must consider that if you are going to carry a realistic sniper system you are going to want something that will shoot at the higher end of the fps limits, so that you will have a distance advantage over the other combatants. Therefore you will be limited to semi-auto or single shot capability, because noboby wants to be hit simultaneously by a handful of bb's going 500fps. It becomes much more difficult then to take on more than one combatant at a time, simply because your first shot really needs to be the last shot. If you miss the first one chances are that the other person will then have an idea of your location, or at least know that someone is shooting and take cover, or if there are multiple targets you are going to be outflanked and eliminated. That being the case you generally wait for the single target that you are pretty sure you can hit and still remain hidden. It's all a matter of patience. If you're willing to wait, it can be gratifying. There is also the matter of size and weight. As we discussed before, to do a realistic sniper conversion to an AEG generally requires a longer barrel assembly, scope, scope mounts, reinforced gear box with the upgraded internals, sometimes a bipod and usually a larger battery which may require different components. This can and, in the case of the SR, does add a hefty amount of size and weight to the replica. It then becomes a task just to carry it around for the day. And I know its not just me. I've discussed this with other people who take it seriously (its all just a game though) and feel the same way. So, if someone really likes to directly assault targets, likes a lot of movement, likes to be able to engage a force, likes the sound and excitement of full-auto fire, they should seriously consider the money it takes to put together a good sniper system. That being said (there was actually a whole lot more I wanted to say), if you are going to buy or convert to a sniper system I would probably opt for some sort of SR conversion, simply because of the number of accessories available. Besides the Bushmaster type conversion there is also a RIS conversion as well as some M4 Ris conversion which can be executed with a silencer for the longer inner barrel. And, there is always something new being introduced for the M16/M4 series. However, lots of people have SR kits. If I was choosing one for originality I would go for the SVD, because you see a lot of AK's and RPK's but not a lot of SVD's. (Just a note, from what I've read when I was researching, the SVD would be outgunned by the SR-25 real steel) I don't know much about the MSG90, but I'm sure someone will have input. Well, I probably haven't contributed much in my longwindedness, but I hope whatever you decide works for you. I look forward to meeting you on the field of (mock) battle this year. ;D *And please don't think that I'm trying to dissuade anyone from getting sniper equipment or playing as a sniper. I'm really just trying to inform readers who may be interested. I know there is a lot of romanticism of snipers, but in airsoft at least it can make for some long and boring times (not that any airsoft game is boring). And, unless your independently wealthy we all are working with limited funds. I always feel sorry for the person who has purchased some piece of equipment only to realize its not what they really want or need. Then they end up selling it, usually at a loss.*
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Post by WarmongeR on Jan 15, 2003 17:02:34 GMT -5
mmmm......dragunov.......drool,drool,droool ,im gonna get it one day,think they had one on airsoft extreme?for 650$but has stock internals,got get my sr16 or m4 first though,and then theres real steel ! so little money so many guns
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Post by Jacko on Jan 15, 2003 17:33:32 GMT -5
Thanks for all your input guys, I really appreciate it. I know that the fundamental differences between playing sniper and playing rifleman are just that, fundamental differences. However, the way our team is coming together and the way we plan on operating makes a sniper rifle a worthy investment. At White Thunder, there was about a two hour time period when I would've killed to have a sniper rifle in my hands, simply because I was occupying a very well concealed position and had a field of fire that included the entirety of the enemy base. Even then, there was four occassions where people were within 25 feet but I wouldn't take the shots simply because my situation would've been compromised (And a dead scout is a bad scout. ;D ). I'm almost certain that waiting to take shots when they matter is something I can handle. I am looking for the higher end of the scale in terms of FPS, which may require more work than is profitable, but the urge is great. Especially for an SVD. Sooo beautiful, sooo pretty. ;D but then, the MSG90 has more room for batteries. Ahhh!
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Post by frostee on Jan 15, 2003 17:56:31 GMT -5
Hmm, if your really serious about sniping I don't think you can beat a bolt action. I've been seriously considering getting an M24 and doing some upgrades to it. I'd like to see if I can get a bit more range (than my APS) out of the longer barrel while still keeping the fps around the 500 mark. But, it all takes money and I have committed to completing the SR-25 conversion first. I'll have a full summer of shooting semi-auto to decide whether or not I really prefer bolt or auto action.
Yeah, SVD...sweet.
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Post by Jacko on Jan 16, 2003 22:53:48 GMT -5
Well, an upgraded SVD would cost me near a grand ($925 from AirsoftExtreme). frostee, if you don't mind telling, how much money have you invested (And, it is an investment) in your APS2?
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Post by derick on Jan 21, 2003 20:56:25 GMT -5
hey, jacko as you have seen i have the bushmaster kit on my gun, the SR15, and my bipod comes tomorrow, thank god. Im not sure if you have held my un but as you can tell, its really not that heavy, and im not sure abou teveryone esle but i have never had a problem carrying a heavy gun for long periods of time, i mean, its not like they weigh 50 pounds. All i have to do to my beloved SaRa is upgrade it to around 500 if im going to ony be a sniper (snigle shot) or 400 range if im still going to use full auto and snipe, (more of a scout role) but you may have not seen my other piece of snipery, the long and tediously made ghillie suit, i am proud of it and i really hope that it keeps me well hidden when i need it, i gues thats why i plan on having a partner with me whos also in a ghillie suit with a sniper rifle. Who knows, i might have to carry my m5 on my back as well, I have nothing else to say. Any who Why dont you go for the nice and beautiful H&K SL8? that is one of my favorite sniper rifles. though i think either the AWM or the SR25 is my over all fav. but who doesnt love the barrett m82a1? I say go for a SR conversion that you can keep at 400 so that you can go both full and semi, bets of both worlds. that was my reason for getting th e15 inch kit. But then whats the g63 for? doesnt that have decent range? oh well im done talking sniper
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Post by Minky on Jan 21, 2003 23:23:42 GMT -5
Err, isnt the SL8 the sporterized civi version of the G36? Not really what I'd call a sniper rifle... but then again, this is airsoft, land of the sniper MP5 and P90.
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Post by Jacko on Jan 22, 2003 9:54:25 GMT -5
The SL8 is the civi version of the G36, indeed. It'd cost me a ton of money to make any G36 based conversion simply because I'd have to use real steel parts. The only 'sniper' variant of a G36 (Thouh it's really an SL8 variant) that I'd want to make is the SL9-SD hkpro.com/sl9sd.htm. But, as you can see the entire rear stock and grip would have to be either A) Custom made or B) Modified from the real steel.
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Post by derick on Jan 23, 2003 2:01:51 GMT -5
yeh thats it, i meant the Sl9, i saw a few different ads and got istaken, it looked more like a sniper rifle to me, than an assault rifle. but yeah i would still say get a sr kinda deal, i mean either that or a nice aps 2. . . . . . well ive got nothin
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Post by Snip on Jan 24, 2003 0:54:03 GMT -5
Personaly I think you should get a job first, so your parents don't kill you. ;D
other then that get a bolt action.
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Post by Jacko on Jan 24, 2003 11:01:49 GMT -5
Erm... yeah.
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