Vitalis
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 14:06:57 GMT -5
The eye safety rules that we have do not even begin to cover the needs if I play naked...
Oh no....
-Vitalis
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Post by LargePrime on Oct 2, 2002 14:47:09 GMT -5
Thats what happens when you just throw out ideas.
I forgot about eye protection, obcenity laws, enviromental concernes...
Ok leaving that alone now.
To recap the new guidlines we are agreeing on
to 350 or 1.13J Arms Length >350 to 450 1.87J 25' >450 to 550 2.80J 40' Single shot wepon only >550 2.80J Event Host Special Exception only
It seems the new sweet spot will be 450. So if people wanted to get to 450 they would get a M130-PDI210 for about 430 or a M140-PDI240 for 460. Is that right?
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Vitalis
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 14:56:39 GMT -5
It seems the new sweet spot will be 450. So if people wanted to get to 450 they would get a M130-PDI210 for about 430 or a M140-PDI240 for 460. Is that right? This is exactly what I was worried about with lumping 350-400 with 401-450.... The perceived "sweet spot" Actually, I believe the sweet spot is at 360 to 400. Good speed, playability, no need for heavy batteries, and good life on the guns.... Personally, that is why I think assault rifles should be kept between 340 and 400. Anything over 400 should be some heavy shit support weapon. -Vitalis
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Post by LargePrime on Oct 2, 2002 15:04:15 GMT -5
This is good.
We leave the FPS like they are and introduce roles.
Now i got no idea on the roles that make sense but just to get started
to 400 assult rifle (define an assult rifle) >400 to 450 heavy weapon. (define a heavy weapon) >450 sniper
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WTS-Mike
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Post by WTS-Mike on Oct 2, 2002 15:07:07 GMT -5
introduce roles, in another thread......
although I think roles isn't a reg factor IMO
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Vitalis
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 15:16:38 GMT -5
I agree Mike,
Again, this is getting way to complicated for simple rules.
Hell, screw it and leave the rules the way they are, there was less bitching and trying to get around them then even if the fifty foot range is excessive.
Once again, the AO rules are just shining in their brilliance....
Rule 6A: The maximum weight of a bullet, that is a 6mm plastic or biodegradable, is 0.36 grams. All weapons belong to one of the following three classes: - Support Weapons: Any weapon that can fire full auto and/or has multiple HiCaps (High Capacity Magazines) or Box magazines. Maximum of 3500 BBs. The weapon is full length with bipods or look like a real support weapon. Maximum energy is 1.5J and no heavier BB's than 0.25g. - Sniper Rifles: Any weapon that is either a semi or bolt action rifle. Full auto capability and HiCap’s aren't allowed. Maximum energy is 2.32J. - Standard Weapons: A weapon that is classified as any weapon other than those above. Maximum energy is 1.5J and the bullets weight can't be heavier than 0.25g and no more than 600BB's.
The following engagement rules must be obeyed at all times (FPS measured with 0.2 grams):
- 0-350fps: Full auto and no engagement limit.
- 350-399: Full auto 25' minimum distance.
- 400-449: Semi auto 50' minimum distance.
- 450-500: Semi Auto 75' Minimum Distance.
This means that if you are using a replica that chronos between 350-399 FPS. Then you may NOT, under any circumstance, fire upon someone within 25'. You may attempt to "Surrender" them, but if they refuse to surrender, you still may NOT fire upon them.
In the spirit of good sportsmanship, it is encouraged that if you are surrended by someone with an upgraded replica within the minimum engagement limit, that you honor that surrender.
Replica's that are upgraded with the intention of beeing in the 350-399 FPS range will be allowed a 5% tolerance on a case by case basis.
Replica's that are upgraded with the intention of beeing in the 450-500FPS range will be allowed a 2% tolerance on a case by case basis.
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Post by derick on Oct 2, 2002 19:48:00 GMT -5
uh huh yeah sure thats easy ill remember the 2 % when im on the field. Well i could care less considering my gun shoots 350 with .2s so i could care less I have no engagement limit and it doesnt really affect me. I just think the "replica" upgrade rule is bs, cause if they attempt to "surrender" someone, and the person turns around and opens them a new a hole, then the guy has to die because his gun is too powerful. I think then the upgraded guy should have the opportunity to fire.
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Vitalis
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 20:23:44 GMT -5
Derick, I'm sorry, but that post made no sense to my brain what-so-ever.... Just what is it you are saying? -Vitalis Edit: Ok, been reading your post again and again, sorry, tough to read through the lack of punctuation... Anyway, are you thinking that the 2% and 5% rules are for engagement range? If so, they are not, they are for feet per second.
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Post by frostee on Oct 2, 2002 20:31:05 GMT -5
Read all the posts again and I'd like to propose something a little less than what Vitalis proposed. I really like those numbers, but I would also like to see people not try to go bonkers with the upgrades and maybe spend a little more money on gear (things like matching team gear, saving up to be able to play the big events, better radios and such). Some of the things that will also make the game more realistic.
Therefore I propose (with the Joule ratings, of course): 1-350 fps - Arms length engagement limit
351-410 fps - 20 foot engagement limit
410-550 fps – 50 foot engagement limit, permanent semi-auto or bolt action airsoft weapons only
551+ fps - prohibited or allowed with permission of event host only
My thoughts are that if a person wants to upgrade past 410 fps they are going to be putting themselves in a range category that they may find unacceptable, simply because they will be limited to semi-auto only. So, a person will either go all out an try to reach great heights with upgrades, with the understanding that they will be limited to semi-auto only at greater distances, or the individual will do the moderate, dependable upgrades that will allow them to retain full-auto and shoot at relatively close distances.
Edit: And I would say that these are more agressive than AO's (just like we wanted).
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Vitalis
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 20:37:08 GMT -5
Nice work Frostee,
I can easily throw my hat in with those rules.
Pretty much puts the cap on an M120 spring.
Good deal and good work.
-Vitalis
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Post by Knief on Oct 2, 2002 20:41:23 GMT -5
I've been ollowing along and just seeing where the rules would go. So far, i'm gonna want to go with frostee's latest proposal. IMO, that's pretty much a perfect equilibrium between safety and playability, and with great reasoning, too.
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Post by Minky on Oct 2, 2002 20:52:53 GMT -5
Those new FPS limits you propose sound fine to me frostee. I just wish more players would get into these discussions . As usual there are only about 5 of us trying to get things ironed out.... you'd think players would want a say in the rules that are going to govern how they play.
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Post by Newman on Oct 2, 2002 21:06:24 GMT -5
*shrugging* FLAG won't follow MiA rules anytime soon (because of the younger ages and my personal opinions on range and FPS limits), so I don't see any need to post here much. Sorry.
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Post by DevilDog on Oct 2, 2002 21:14:06 GMT -5
Nice work Frostee!!! I'll go for that! Spend money on gear and events and not go ballistic on the weapon itself!! Makes sense to me!
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Post by WTS-Mike on Oct 2, 2002 21:48:47 GMT -5
Frostee, you hit the nail on the head......actually follows very closely with my PM to Vitalis......
I'm good with that.
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