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Post by Ogre on May 14, 2015 18:37:30 GMT -5
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Post by Stinger on May 14, 2015 18:45:20 GMT -5
There was a discussion about this bill on Mi6mm. My take is that it really does not change anything as it relates to us. It doesn't enable us to do something more, and it doesn't take anything away from us. But really, I don't think that the government should be saying anything - period. It isn't the job of the government to define what my legally-obtained property is.
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Post by Ogre on May 14, 2015 18:55:24 GMT -5
Ahh I'm on Mi6mm but I don't frequent it. I mostly use MiAfor events and networking. I think I created an account on the new MiA but I think I already forgot my password.
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Post by X on May 14, 2015 19:19:41 GMT -5
There was a discussion about this bill on Mi6mm. My take is that it really does not change anything as it relates to us. It doesn't enable us to do something more, and it doesn't take anything away from us. But really, I don't think that the government should be saying anything - period. It isn't the job of the government to define what my legally-obtained property is. Funny, because that's exactly what their job is.
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Post by Stinger on May 14, 2015 19:32:08 GMT -5
Let me revise: It SHOULDN'T be the government's job to define what my legally-obtained property is. If it's legal to have, why the hell do they need to make new legislation stating that it's legal for me to have? That's a waste of resources on something I don't believe they should be writing legislayion on in the first place.
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Post by Praetor on May 14, 2015 19:39:48 GMT -5
Let me revise: It SHOULDN'T be the government's job to define what my legally-obtained property is. If it's legal to have, why the hell do they need to make new legislation stating that it's legal for me to have? That's a waste of resources on something I don't believe they should be writing legislayion on in the first place. Bro the government does this all the time
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Post by Stinger on May 14, 2015 19:44:50 GMT -5
Let me revise: It SHOULDN'T be the government's job to define what my legally-obtained property is. If it's legal to have, why the hell do they need to make new legislation stating that it's legal for me to have? That's a waste of resources on something I don't believe they should be writing legislayion on in the first place. Bro the government does this all the time So because they do it all the time, I can't think that they shouldn't? Just because the government does it doesn't mean it's right.
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Post by X on May 14, 2015 20:11:51 GMT -5
They're clearing up what was a gray area in the law. If I mass produced a new Airsoft gun that could kill someone the government should write a new law to classify it as a firearm. That's their job.
Its been said that this law does nothing but one thing I can think of is transport laws. Because Airsoft guns may or may not be considered a firearm by an LEO he may or may not try to confiscate them if you didn't have your ammunition separated from your gun. With this shiny new law its plain as day that's not the case. Its not open to any degree of interpretation. But I guess if you don't want that you can go back to making sure there are no loose BBs or magazines in the same compartment as your gun.
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Post by Stinger on May 14, 2015 20:18:18 GMT -5
I would do that for safety anyways.
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Post by X on May 14, 2015 20:21:24 GMT -5
The day my Airsoft gun loads itself and starts shooting the inside of my gun bag is the day I'll quit playing Airsoft. I have a zero tolerance policy for poltergeists.
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Post by Stinger on May 14, 2015 20:33:37 GMT -5
Well it's just good to be safe in that regard.
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Post by Simon on May 14, 2015 22:55:28 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time figuring out where, specifically, airsoft guns are excluded. The new definition of "firearm" in Michigan law is:
"Firearm" means a weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by an explosive, or by gas or air. Firearm does not include a smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling by a spring, or by gas or air, BBs not exceeding .177 caliber.
This looks to me like my old Red Ryder is no longer a firearm but my airsoft gun may be because it is .236 caliber and "dangerous" is not well defined. Further than that, if it doesn't meet the threshold for being "dangerous" then it wasn't a firearm in the first place?
Anyone able to explain it like I'm five?
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Post by X on May 15, 2015 6:39:18 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time figuring out where, specifically, airsoft guns are excluded. The new definition of "firearm" in Michigan law is: "Firearm" means a weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by an explosive, or by gas or air. Firearm does not include a smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling by a spring, or by gas or air, BBs not exceeding .177 caliber. This looks to me like my old Red Ryder is no longer a firearm but my airsoft gun may be because it is .236 caliber and "dangerous" is not well defined. Further than that, if it doesn't meet the threshold for being "dangerous" then it wasn't a firearm in the first place? Anyone able to explain it like I'm five? Does this help? www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/billengrossed/House/htm/2015-HEBS-4152.htm
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Post by Simon on May 15, 2015 7:19:35 GMT -5
So they haven't yet amended it. The bill passed and the language "is designed to, or can be readily converted to fire a projectile by action of explosive" goes into effect July 1st. Gotcha, thanks.
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Post by Knief on May 15, 2015 7:50:22 GMT -5
The new law removes the propellants "spring," "gas," and "air" from the definition of a firearm. It's only a gun if it uses an explosive to fire the projectile. The type of projectile, "dangerous" or not, no longer matters, because "dangerous" was never clearly defined so any interpretation of it beyond "lethal" would be arbitrary. There is another small change that shouldn't affect us: www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2015-2016/billengrossed/House/htm/2015-HEBS-4155.htmSec. 227c.(1)(b) says that you also can't have a loaded pneumatic device that shoots metallic bbs or pellets (greater than .177 caliber again) in your car. Your airsoft gun loaded with plastic bbs should be fine and dandy. Though, you know, you should still probably travel with them unloaded for safety's sake.
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