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Post by Ogre on Feb 10, 2015 17:13:47 GMT -5
Hello. I'm sorry for asking about the field. I completely worded it wrong. I was legitimately asking why. Was not trying to be a troll, etc, etc. And I'm a complete dumb ass for doing this. I'm sorry. It was worded wrong, and I didn't know what I was doing. I'm sorry. From Aaron Dyke on the MiA facebook page Ya sure you're not trying to be a troll, because it seems like you are and are only backpedaling to keep yourself out of more trouble. If your not an employee (I would hope to god your not because the conduct you have shown is not good for business ) then It would seem like most people problem with Eastside would be with dealing with players like you. Personally I feel like if you have to ask the question "What doesn't MiA like about eastside" you probably already know, the Michigan rules and regulations are clearly listed on the forum rules and as a frequent player at Eastside, you would probably know they don't enforce said rules. I get what you were trying to do with your initial two threads, you were trying to get MiA interest in Eastside, drum up business, whatever. Personally, the way you were going about is is counter productive. You know the reason why we don't attend. So maybe instead of saying one thing on the forum and then showing a completely different attitude on facebook that seems hostile towards outside players and then backpedaling on that when you get called out on it, you should start to push for changes that will actually appease the MiA community. Start weeding out the players running around with 400fps guns at 30rps and letting them know they are no longer welcome. Start weeding out the ones that don't call their hits and ignore engagement limits and work on creating a positive environment to play in.
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Post by Stinger on Feb 10, 2015 17:44:15 GMT -5
What's the connection between this and Facebook though?
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Post by Praetor on Feb 10, 2015 17:46:18 GMT -5
What's the connection between this and Facebook though? I think that the guy who posted on here is the same guy who posted on Facebook who is a regular at eastside. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Post by Ogre on Feb 10, 2015 17:56:14 GMT -5
What's the connection between this and Facebook though? Same guy, Pagan posted pictures in the previous thread proving that he knew this guy then he backpedaled on everything. Those threads are gone now though.
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Post by Simon on Feb 10, 2015 18:02:17 GMT -5
Coming at this with no preconceptions, I'm all for a meaningful discussion about grievances and solutions.
I know MIA rules and regs are born of experience and have stood a decent test of time, however, MIA is not a legally binding governing body for the sport and therefore nobody is required to adhere to our rules and guidelines. If Eastside wants to use different rules that's fine as long as they use the appropriate warning on their event posts as required by MIA event posting rules. They just need to understand that most of us won't patronize a place we deem unsafe.
I don't know who michiganimpact is outside of the forum and I don't necessarily care. He has apologized for the confrontational manner of his initial posts and that's good enough for me. If he wishes to continue a peaceful discussion about the field I'm all for it. I'm sure the mods will watch it with all the diligence they think it deserves and step in if it gets out of hand. K jones and gunny offered good feedback and going forward that's how it should stay.
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Post by Pagan on Feb 10, 2015 18:30:47 GMT -5
Coming at this with no preconceptions, I'm all for a meaningful discussion about grievances and solutions. I know MIA rules and regs are born of experience and have stood a decent test of time, however, MIA is not a legally binding governing body for the sport and therefore nobody is required to adhere to our rules and guidelines. If Eastside wants to use different rules that's fine as long as they use the appropriate warning on their event posts as required by MIA event posting rules. They just need to understand that most of us won't patronize a place we deem unsafe. We've never told Eastside that they couldn't post events here. It was said that if they didn't follow MIA guidelines they had to put the warning on the event. They chose not to. I can state this from personal experience, as I was an employee there for a very short time. The owner was beginning to come around to some of the MIA rules, but there were other employees who worked there when I was there who openly and quite loudly said "fuck you" ( exact words) to MIA and their rules. How things are now, I'm not sure. After several VERY bad experiences, I have chosen to not return, nor have I had any desire to.
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Post by Simon on Feb 10, 2015 18:38:32 GMT -5
I find their position on fps kinda funny since they literally copy word for word MIA regs on their website and link to the forum thread here. The only difference I saw from a quick look was the fps. Anyone actually spoken to the owner in a while?
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Post by Pagan on Feb 10, 2015 18:51:08 GMT -5
I find their position on fps kinda funny since they literally copy word for word MIA regs on their website and link to the forum thread here. The only difference I saw from a quick look was the fps. Anyone actually spoken to the owner in a while? No, but I can say when I was there, the only time replicas were chronoed was when I hosted the MIA zombie night. I saw employees tell players who were regulars to shoot their CO2 pistols 20-30 times before coming up to chrono. That was the last time I was involved running any games there.
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Post by Simon on Feb 10, 2015 18:53:08 GMT -5
Ooooh yeah, good reason.
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Post by Gabriel on Feb 10, 2015 19:04:54 GMT -5
They have never followed MiA regulations, because business never required them too. Things have greatly improved there, but its still not perfect. Chronoing is always done now, and even thougj the FPS limit is still 400, they arent allowing those crazy ass 500 FPS pistols anymore. Its going to go through some major changes in the next few months, and should be more MiA friendly, at least 1 day a week.
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Post by evanwormer on Feb 10, 2015 21:27:00 GMT -5
I thought about chiming in earlier, but I decided not to. But now I will I've been to ESA a coue times and they have actually gotten a lot better since. They still kinda suck though. The player base that goes there is pretty bad because it's mostly kids and speedsofters. The owner and one of my good friends and teammates actually do work there and for what he's telling me is that he's trying to make it better and ween out the shitty players and try to get a different group to come To me the only problem I see there are the speedsofters with their p*s with speed triggers ie: "Speedy Peedy" and his friend Cody. But from what I hear they are banning speed tiggers and (hopefully) p*s.
If anyone is wondering about this speedy peedy kid, he's just a jerk that uses a speed trigger and full auto with his p* and then got into an arguement with my friends and I on a Facebook post and dug himself a hole that made my friends and I dislike him more and even Jeremy (pagan) and Michael (Mosin) was in on it too so they can say the same about it.
In short, ESA has potential if they ban speed triggers and become MIA compliant.
I'll probably think of more to say later but that's my .02 right now
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Post by R2zoo on Feb 10, 2015 22:47:21 GMT -5
They have never followed MiA regulations, because business never required them too. Things have greatly improved there, but its still not perfect. Chronoing is always done now, and even thougj the FPS limit is still 400, they arent allowing those crazy ass 500 FPS pistols anymore. Its going to go through some major changes in the next few months, and should be more MiA friendly, at least 1 day a week. Not quite. Since Sam acquired it, it has changed. The C02 revolvers and other such nonsense have stopped. The crowd is getting better. Granted its still A LOT of kids, especially those seemingly under the age of 13. Normally I wouldn't mind, but there were multiple incidents of me having to educate these players as to not use full auto, not to blind fire, and other basic safety rules. That and the allowance of mesh masks and goggles scares me. However "Chronoing" is kind of a joke still. Was up there this past Sunday, and a buddy of mine tried to chrono his gun, and was told the Chronos weren't charged. Waited a half hour, and tried again, only for the chrono to die and them to tell him "just use it". No one else was chronoed from what I saw. That said, the "honor" rule seemed to go alright, nothing hot, or outrageous. Don't think I am trying to defend them for this, as I hate this fact, but I still play at my own risk, as its the closest and easiest place to play. Sundays would be the best bet in my experience and from what I hear from others for a more "mature" crowd. Also less hectic. Probably 30 people on the field this past weekend, but from what I hear, there was 100~ on the field Saturday, which given the size of the field is simply insane, especially given parking at ESA is practically non existent. Overall - Play at your own risk. MIA standards are recognized, but not actively enforced. It is getting better, hell they have refs on the field now at least. Its not for everyone, but it holds me over in between what few field games I can make. I thought about chiming in earlier, but I decided not to. But now I will I've been to ESA a coue times and they have actually gotten a lot better since. They still kinda suck though. The player base that goes there is pretty bad because it's mostly kids and speedsofters. The owner and one of my good friends and teammates actually do work there and for what he's telling me is that he's trying to make it better and ween out the shitty players and try to get a different group to come To me the only problem I see there are the speedsofters with their p*s with speed triggers ie: "Speedy Peedy" and his friend Cody. But from what I hear they are banning speed tiggers and (hopefully) p*s. I wouldn't blame P* users directly. There are bad apples in the mix, but lots of my good friends, with more time and money then I run those setups, and play fairly and without issues. The primary issue is just the lack of enforcement of any of the "rules" they have in place. What also adds to that is that the rules are rarely explained before the game starts. As I said, a lot of games with younger players has me babysitting them, and tell them to knock the crap off.
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Post by evanwormer on Feb 10, 2015 23:26:55 GMT -5
I'm only blaming the p* users at ESA. I respect the p* platform, when it's not a dingus using it. Sam has started to enforce chrono-ing more than he has ever before which is good. I do agree that the game types/rules aren't very well explained, but that can come with time. He's also started using more refs on the field which has sort of helped but ESA could still use improvement. I still stand by my thought of ESA having potential, it just needs to be executed
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Post by R2zoo on Feb 10, 2015 23:51:34 GMT -5
I'm only blaming the p* users at ESA. I respect the p* platform, when it's not a dingus using it. Sam has started to enforce chrono-ing more than he has ever before which is good. I do agree that the game types/rules aren't very well explained, but that can come with time. He's also started using more refs on the field which has sort of helped but ESA could still use improvement. I still stand by my thought of ESA having potential, it just needs to be executed I fully agree with you. The potential is there. However right now, it's not up to the standards that MIA players come to expect for events. If you expect MIA rules and standards like you would at No Limits and such, you will likely not be thrilled at ESA. I will continue to play there, but I yearn for the day when they do get it fully complacent with the standard ruleset MIA uses.
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Post by Kjones on Feb 11, 2015 0:32:33 GMT -5
Would it be possible to make private parties? Like post a event here and only people that sign up on MIA can enter? Like this it dont matter what rules they have as we will enforce our own stricter rules.
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