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Post by Ogre on Oct 1, 2014 20:29:54 GMT -5
I guess we could learn to live with it. After all the Major did say at blacksheep "If the Orange tip is all that gave you away, you did your job right" I would say the same applies here. The bands around the gun aren't where any of the trademarks normally are so spray-paint/aftermarket parts should be fine. I'd assume these companies could actually make a killing selling appropriately colored replacement parts to get rid of the neon trigger guard and band.
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Post by Stache on Oct 1, 2014 20:35:55 GMT -5
I'm sure this is a dumb question but I don't know much about this subject so my apologies. Is there any danger that Michigan, in the near future, will adopt this law?
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Post by Ogre on Oct 1, 2014 20:42:29 GMT -5
Is possible, but now that I read through it a few times, it has a shit ton of loopholes. Most of us remove our orange tips anyways, an "adhesive band" isn't going to change that fact that Airsofters are some of the biggest bootleggers in existence.
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Post by Stache on Oct 1, 2014 20:48:53 GMT -5
Haha go team!
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Post by Gunslinger on Oct 1, 2014 21:22:44 GMT -5
Once a law is on the books you will not get it off. There are laws on the books in michigan from 1928 that are not upheld but are still law non the less. It is such a lengthy and exspecive process for it to be removed and re written they just leave the law where it is and add amendments and subsections/parts A; parts B; etc. in most cases.
We as a group are too small to do any thing but cause people to look at it in a negative light, unless the NRA was to feel motivated to take on the task of trying to stop it before it migrated to the real deal weapons we as a group of hobbyists won't get much traction. Beleive in what ever due process or voting ability you think you have at your disposal. It's not a issue the state individually makes money off of so there for they will do with it what they please.
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Post by Stinger on Oct 1, 2014 22:44:08 GMT -5
Is possible, but now that I read through it a few times, it has a shit ton of loopholes. Most of us remove our orange tips anyways, an "adhesive band" isn't going to change that fact that Airsofters are some of the biggest bootleggers in existence. Up to $10,000 fine for removing any of the colorations in California, though Once you remove the coloring, the gun is considered an "unregistered firearm."
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Post by Ogre on Oct 1, 2014 23:58:15 GMT -5
I thought it just had to be sold like that. Ouch. What about people who build there own or custom AEG's converted from real steel?
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Post by Gunslinger on Oct 2, 2014 1:14:17 GMT -5
Wow! That's harsh. Guess painting it won't be a good idea. I wonder if then they are not going to grandfather in the older ones???
Wait a minuet.... It has to meat the criteria set forth by the ATF to be considered a "firearm" so the individual state can try to screw over people but it will only take one persons kid who has a parent with money to take it to court and federal law usually out governs state or local. At least it can lessen a penalty.
I know there are grey areas with real steel but come on really going after airsoft like that is just stupid. Who do they think is going to be paying these fines? Donald trumps kids? Good luck with having a cop chase down kids on a giant airsoft field in Cali to make them check every ones guns. Laughable.
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Post by Ogre on Oct 2, 2014 7:01:43 GMT -5
There all speedsofters in Cali, so I'd imagine they would be pretty hard to catch, being all high speed low drag and what not.
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Post by Simon on Oct 2, 2014 7:13:45 GMT -5
It's typical election year maneuvering. Now DeLeon can say look what I did for the kids!
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Post by Stinger on Oct 2, 2014 7:49:02 GMT -5
What about people who build there own or custom AEG's converted from real steel? I don't know. This wasn't addressed much in the videos I've watched/the articles I've read, likely because the vast majority of people (especially speedsofters) don't build their own guns. The biggest thing I'm worried about is that KWA, VFC, etc. the big companies will only make guns with the colored trigger guard. Remember, the coloration of the trigger guard has to be like the orange tip: Full coloration, not just adhesive tape. Therefore, it has to be "manufactured" in. Unless companies decide to make non-Cali-compliant variants of their guns, or they ship guns with uncolored trigger guards that you can install yourself, some of us might have to deal with colored trigger guards in a few years.
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Post by Squirrel on Oct 2, 2014 9:07:29 GMT -5
It is really an unfortunate thing that this passed. It is really nothing more than an attempt to pander to the lobby that has the state congressmen in their pocket. They know that this will literally do nothing to prevent tragic incidents from happening, which is why they made so many drastic concessions from the original bill. The fact that is passed in its bastardized and amended form is a prime example of the lengths these politicians will go to keep their campaign funds flowing in.
The bill as it is written has a lot of loopholes, and is rather vague for what it is trying to accomplish. They are trying to appear to compromise by leaving options for color and locations of the markings, as well as the fact that some of the markings do not have to be outright permanent, ie. Tape. This is where we will start seeing issues pop up. There will be a few examples made of people, the State Congress will revisit the issue after another unfortunate cop on child shooting incident, and then the state will start the movement to outright ban or full colorize all replicas.
Now, this is only my prediction and opinion, but it really does not appear too far fetched if you look at the history of legislation involving firearms. Things are always done in compromises and steps to avoid too much backlash from occurring all at once.
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Post by Simon on Oct 2, 2014 14:42:45 GMT -5
It's still legal for companies to sell replacement parts that would make the replica non-compliant. There is a big market for them.
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