Viper
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Post by Viper on Jun 22, 2014 22:31:48 GMT -5
As a P* user myself and being on green team where there were a couple of us that had them, I feel like I should chime in here.
IT'S NOT FUN GETTING HOSED DOWN OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!
I was pissed at my own team for how they ran those guns. Go play paintball and get the F out of this sport. Whoever the two of you were, you're an embarrassment and give the rest of us a bad name. To the guy running 50+ bps, why? Can you not aim? To the guy running ~440fps with .30's, why? At that speed you're just out to hurt someone... Especially since you upped the FPS after lunch (whether or not you swapped uppers I don't know or really care for that matter...) and we're at Hell Survivors, you aren't having to snipe someone from the opposite side of MUTC. (some of you will get that reference) I think I used 3 round burst maybe 2-3 times to punch through some thicker brush. Other than that you make it not fun for the guys you plaster with 20 rounds before you can pull your finger off the trigger...
/rant
To the game.
RAGE, you guys put on an awesome, fun and cheap event with little down time. All my guys felt like they got their $25 worth and that's what it is all about. We definitely got the shaft with only having the city for ~2 hours though. The bomb games were definitely the highlight of the day for us. Tan team, I didn't have any problems with hit calling all day. All Day! That's awesome. Everyone was super friendly after hits, "good shots" were heard frequently, and just a positive attitude around the field all day. I'm sorry about our team (well, really only 2 people) and the bb's hoses that probably ruined a lot of fun. To the old faces, it was great seeing you all again. And to the new people I met and chatted with it was a pleasure. We'll see you all in August!
Viper (the OG, not these new vipers that keep popping up)
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Vic (Rattlehead)
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Post by Vic (Rattlehead) on Jun 23, 2014 0:25:47 GMT -5
Enjoyed this game quite a bit! Had a headache after lunch(with my luck, it HAD to happen the only event I've been to since I took the Advil out of my medkit - go figure), so that took a little fun out of it but nonetheless, I got 6 confirmed hits(that I kept track of), so excellent event! I think I didn't use more than 350 BBs, so I'm happy about that(I hate buying BBs). Was great playing with you Auzzie, and a couple of people I remember not their names. Also Chicko(Is that how it's spelled?), not sure if you're on MiA but you were pretty cool. To the kid in the track pants with the springer shotgun - Props to you, I would not be able to do what you did. The 'hang-out' at Heartbreak Ridge at the end was unusually chill, considering we were still in active conflict, and somehow missed a Green guy walk in and snatch our flag, but at that point of the day, I was sweaty, thirsty, tired, and ready to go home(I don't do so well going up-hill). Also, good shot GSAT guys, I think you took me out 2-3 times at LEAST. Damn you!!! Oh, and Auzzie, I'm waiting for those action shots! See y'all next time on the battlefield! -VIC
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Post by Gimpalong on Jun 23, 2014 8:35:06 GMT -5
To the guy running ~440fps with .30S... Yikes. You guys didn't have a chrono? 440 FPS with .30s is equal to 2.70 joules. That's over a joule above the usual 1.5 joule limit (400 FPS with .20s) for regular AEGs. Steer me clear of that guy!
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Post by thefriendlyarab on Jun 23, 2014 9:47:03 GMT -5
To the guy running ~440fps with .30S... Yikes. You guys didn't have a chrono? 440 FPS with .30s is equal to 2.70 joules. That's over a joule above the usual 1.5 joule limit (400 FPS with .20s) for regular AEGs. Steer me clear of that guy! They probably just upped the psi on their regulators after chronoing.
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Post by Combat Junkies Airsoft on Jun 23, 2014 10:26:01 GMT -5
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Viper
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I still have a warning level?
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Post by Viper on Jun 23, 2014 10:56:13 GMT -5
Yikes. You guys didn't have a chrono? 440 FPS with .30s is equal to 2.70 joules. That's over a joule above the usual 1.5 joule limit (400 FPS with .20s) for regular AEGs. Steer me clear of that guy! He chrono'd it with the .30's. So roughly 530-540 with .20's? He was semi only. But, he's still running instant trigger response and was using it to his advantage.
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Post by snafu on Jun 23, 2014 11:08:09 GMT -5
That's crazy because he's basically running a bb hose DMR. I think semi only should be on a straight up dmr like an spr or sr25.
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Snarf
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Post by Snarf on Jun 23, 2014 11:20:05 GMT -5
He was semi only. But, he's still running instant trigger response and was using it to his advantage. I think the idea of having the highest FPS category be for bolt actions and semi only means that it's only for snipers, meaning you will only get shot once, instead of several times by a high powered gun. Some MOSFETs have a "sniper delay" feature for semi auto, meaning you can't shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Maybe it could be a new regulation for high FPS "BB hose DMRs"?
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Post by Pagan on Jun 23, 2014 12:23:19 GMT -5
Yikes. You guys didn't have a chrono? 440 FPS with .30s is equal to 2.70 joules. That's over a joule above the usual 1.5 joule limit (400 FPS with .20s) for regular AEGs. Steer me clear of that guy! He chrono'd it with the .30's. So roughly 530-540 with .20's? He was semi only. But, he's still running instant trigger response and was using it to his advantage. We had an issue very similar with a player at our first rec game this year. After that, we have set a MAX limit for P* at 1.55 joules. With .20gs 1.56j is 410 fps. Owning a polarstar myself, I know how impressive the trigger response is, and how easily it can be abused by dishonest players. This way no matter what weight bb they are using, it will still have the same power as what we allow for full auto use. It really is sad that a few players can ruin it for an entire group.
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Post by Stinger on Jun 23, 2014 12:26:50 GMT -5
Okay R.A.G.E., nice! It was awesome. My team and I had to leave early, so we missed the CTF game. I will address the guy shooting 440 with 0.30-gram BBs first: I have this guy on camera saying OUT LOUD that he was running 470 FPS with 0.30-gram BBs. If any event or forum mods want to see that video clip, it's all yours. I haven't had internet access at home since Thursday. I should have mine back today. I'll get working on my videos ASAP. Thanks, Vic! It was nice seeing my 0.25s hit you! The only issues I really had were with people not identifying their targets before shooting (got teamkilled multiple times, and other guys on my team did as well), and at least one instance of engagement limit abuse. At the Tippmann Tower game (second to last game?), a guy with a purple sticker on his gun pegged my friend and I from ten feet away. This is also a minor complaint, but people who are hit out should not cluster around/protect people who are still in. If I shoot you and you're already out, don't complain unless you had a dead rag on, hands up, or your gun over your head. You are a potential threat otherwise. Also, I love this picture of me tying my boot after going for a bit of a swim in the marsh: image upload no size limit
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Post by Gimpalong on Jun 23, 2014 12:28:45 GMT -5
We had an issue very similar with a player at our first rec game this year. After that, we have set a MAX limit for P* at 1.55 joules. With .20gs 1.56j is 410 fps. Owning a polarstar myself, I know how impressive the trigger response is, and how easily it can be abused by dishonest players. This way no matter what weight bb they are using, it will still have the same power as what we allow for full auto use. It really is sad that a few players can ruin it for an entire group. Yup, a maximum limit to Polarstars is probably a good idea. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing a lower maximum limit (1.3, 1.4 joules) to prevent people from intentional (or unintentionally) using joule creep to pop up over that 1.55 joule limit. That said, what happens when someone with a Systema/Ares/ICS/Tuned-up DMR AEG shows up with just as fast trigger response shooting at a high velocity...? The individual running that gun at 540 with .20s is within the letter of the law as far as FPS, but at the same time it goes against the spirit of respect people are supposed to have for their fellow players. Anyway, it wasn't my intention to derail this thread...
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Post by Mosin on Jun 23, 2014 12:39:21 GMT -5
I'd really like to see a picture of the guy running that setup. I personally ran chrono for this event and didn't see one gun without tag, the only gun that was shooting 500+ that entire day was an MP7 that one of the girls had running with a guy who was with a P*.
All P*'s were originally chronographed by joules rating of not being any higher than 1.55j, so whoever claimed to be running 440 with a .30 broke our rules and is a safety violator, and I'd like to have anything I can on him to ensure we don't run into that again.
I understand what legal limits are for airsoft, running a 530 fps bolt action Maruzen myself, but we established it at the chronograph that P*'s had to come in under 1.55, so what he did out there was illegal and should have been mentioned to a mod.
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Post by Stinger on Jun 23, 2014 12:51:25 GMT -5
I'd really like to see a picture of the guy running that setup. I personally ran chrono for this event and didn't see one gun without tag, the only gun that was shooting 500+ that entire day was an MP7 that one of the girls had running with a guy who was with a P*. All P*'s were originally chronographed by joules rating of not being any higher than 1.55j, so whoever claimed to be running 440 with a .30 broke our rules and is a safety violator, and I'd like to have anything I can on him to ensure we don't run into that again. I understand what legal limits are for airsoft, running a 530 fps bolt action Maruzen myself, but we established it at the chronograph that P*'s had to come in under 1.55, so what he did out there was illegal and should have been mentioned to a mod. I didn't actually notice it until I reviewed the video, so I never thought to mention it to a field mod. I will get that video up soon and give you a link.
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Post by rasputin824 on Jun 23, 2014 14:01:28 GMT -5
Hello I've been playing indoor airsoft for 4 years and I was the one with the airsoft DMR. I recronoed by team rage after switching my upper. And was told I'm legal on semi only with a 60 foot engagement. And I took that very seriously. Also was semi locked and double marked. I new to the outdoor and i don't want to be ban from these events i have multiple character witnesses, I'm not in this sport to hurt any one I just really like sitting all the way in the back of the map and not getting shot to hell but still making a difference in the fight. At one point in the game one of the refs snuck up on me and told me that I did a good job when I watched 10 people walked past me within 40 feet. Like I said I don't want to be banned I will tune my setup down. I didn't know about any different mia fps limit. But i was not one of the a$$holes with a 55 rps p* my gun is always on semi locked
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Post by Mosin on Jun 23, 2014 14:47:17 GMT -5
Rasputin,
I was about to run the photo among the mods and see, perhaps you chronoed out with a mod that wasn't tracking on the 1.55 joule limit, so that will be fixed in house. I was under the impression that you were the one running the 55rps bb hose and was also shooting very hot, somewhat bit of relief there that it wasn't the case.
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