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Post by gray on Mar 24, 2014 15:50:46 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I've been playing a medieval combat LARP (Live Action Role Play) in the Michigan area for about 12 years. About 4 years ago, myself and some other community leaders started playtesting a game that blended the fast-paced, up-close action of melee weapon combat with the intensity and strategy of gunfighting. If any of that sounds fun to you, please PM me, and I'll be happy to share details. 2014 will be our first official season, and even though we are intentionally keeping the game small, we are open to new members who are 21+ years old and are open-minded to a whole new combat experience. But more than new participants, we need locations! Most events are intentionally kept small, 8-20 people, so we don't need much space. But, ANY space would be appreciated. The community is based in the southeast Michigan area, so if you have recommendations for fields or buildings near us, please PM me! Oh, and sorry about bringing up a very NON-milsim topic on these boards, but at the same time it still totally applies to the world of airsoft. Besides, I bet a tiny part of you has always wanted to block bullets with a shield. Contact me directly for details or location advice! Thanks.
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Post by T6e9a on Mar 24, 2014 16:03:34 GMT -5
I would be very interested! I like the concept. I hope this will be able to take root and become something.
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Post by Phantom Reaper on Mar 24, 2014 16:46:55 GMT -5
I think you will find Myself, T6 and plenty of others interested, but the 21+ seems like an unnecessary limitation. Just my thoughts though.
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Post by Timm on Mar 24, 2014 18:25:03 GMT -5
Countdown till someone gets eyepro knocked off begins.... Now.
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Post by Gunny87 on Mar 24, 2014 18:52:41 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I've been playing a medieval combat LARP (Live Action Role Play) in the Michigan area for about 12 years. About 4 years ago, myself and some other community leaders started playtesting a game that blended the fast-paced, up-close action of melee weapon combat with the intensity and strategy of gunfighting. If you're doing what I think you're doing then I really hope that you are using proper full seal eye protection as well as using airsoft guns that aren't shooting hot (under 350fps).
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Mar 24, 2014 20:50:07 GMT -5
Also stay away from public parks and areas where stray bbs can injure people passing by. Be sure that you have full permission to play on whatever land you use and that ALL of the neighbors are aware and it may even be a good idea to alert the local law enforcement. We've seen plenty of examples where a large police force was called in to react to kids playing airsoft. I would highly recommend using known fields like no-limits or some other local paintball fields.
Your interests are very different from the majority of the people here but it doesn't mean its not worthwhile as long as you guys stay safe and use a lot of common sense. The last thing you want to do while you are starting off is to literally shoot someone's eye off due to improper eye protection or hitting someone's goggles off and having someone else shoot at the same time. That is not the kind of publicity that the airsoft community is going after.
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Post by gray on Mar 24, 2014 21:30:50 GMT -5
I love this forum already! Timm, Gunny, ARC, I really appreciate you guys immediately considering safety and public awareness. Honestly, SAFETY-FIRST individuals are the people we are really hoping will get in the game. So I appreciate you guys having a responsible, sustainable pile of good safety advice! Yep, and Phantom Reaper brings up a great point that 21+ is a bit restricting, but it's one of the many ways we are going to be a bit selective (and to a degree, inclusive) with the people who get to participate in this game at first. Like I said, it's been about 4 years of playtesting, but we are keeping the participant numbers low until the game is in full swing and has lots of experience (and locations) under it's belt... Plus... playing a medieval LARP for 12 years I've noticed that sometimes people like to enjoy sharing a few drinks after a hard day's battling. Back to safety: OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS FULL EYE AND MOUTH PROTECTION that is very secure to the face, so in the off chance someone accidentally strikes your head with a solid melee attack, the mask has 0% chance of being knocked off. That being said, Does anyone have particularly secure airsoft mask recommendations? (bonus if they look all future-pocalyptic! ) I really dig all the input! You folks seem like a great group so far. ~Gray PS- There won't be any 'hot' guns at these events. We're playing around with a 200fps or 250fps cap. Most of the combat is up close.
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Post by Gunny87 on Mar 24, 2014 21:41:42 GMT -5
There are a ton of different mask options out there. However if contact to the face is possible and likely in your case by the sounds of it, personally I would stick with a one piece paintball or full face mask to offer the most protection. www.savephace.com/PS- There won't be any 'hot' guns at these events. We're playing around with a 200fps or 250fps cap. Most of the combat is up close. Unless you're using springers, what guns are you using to achieve that low of a FPS? Are you using AEGs and downgrading the springs?
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Post by Hound on Mar 24, 2014 22:07:47 GMT -5
See, is this going to be similar to 60% power sparring(no pads) where I might take a boot to the gut, or carbon fiber gloves to the face(maybe stay shoulder to belt range obviously, but I'm being the devils advocate)? Or an even worse blow, the fist is the weakest blow. Or is there gonna be some sort of padding set up? I've taken Tong Su Do and boxed, for a several years, so I'm kinda excited about this. I dont even care that im under 21, ill sign the waiver, let me at them. But there are aome serious safety concerns and responsibility with this. It would be great if you could set up a 60% rule, or hit placement rule like fencing. But I think rifles and gear would get destroyed(airsoft is delicate) on takedowns and whatnot.
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Post by gray on Mar 24, 2014 23:10:11 GMT -5
Gunny, most of the guns will be springs. And any AEGs used will be the lower end, 'weaker' ones. But your concern of fps is really valid, and one of the major concerns for safety and pre-battle "weapons check"
Hound, there will be no padding requirements besides a secure eye/mouth mask. Players will be encouraged to wear one-layer of fabric for their costume to encourage an even feel for "hit-taking". And actually the combat will never be hand-to-hand, but only weapon-to-body or weapon-to-shield. Never to the head. In fact, that's punishable by Officials if the player seems dangerous in any way. The weapons and shields will mainly be foam 'boffers', so there won't be any % of the melee attacks. People will be discouraged from full 100% swings, but it will not be illegal. Believe it or not, this is safe, and has been a great way to keep the intensity high for medieval LARPs like Dagorhir, Belegarth, and Darkon. So imagine the combat similar to those games, but with minimal ammo (5-10 shots per resurrection) and smaller shields.
But yes, ultimately, it will come down to PLAYERS being safe. So while we are in this playtesting phase, we will be extra selective of new participants.
It's so good to see everyone's safety concerns!
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Post by Gunny87 on Mar 25, 2014 10:24:20 GMT -5
In terms of weapons, again I'm not sure what you're going for specifically with this endeavor but using gas blow back pistols might also be a safe bet. As long as you aren't buying a Win Gun 500fps CO2 pistol, most fire around 350fps or lower. Getting hit with a "safe" GBB pistol has never bothered me personally or caused any more damage than being hit at a further distance by a more powerful spring, electric or gas powered gun.
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Post by X on Mar 25, 2014 13:08:29 GMT -5
Is this like LARPing (LIGHTNING BOLT!) or more like Dagorhir? I have a few friends that are in to Dagorhir who I'm sure would try this out. Personally I've tried Dagorhir and I'm not a big fan. The nice thing about Dagorhir though is that you can do it anywhere without anything more than some funny looks. Mixing airsoft in is going to make it so you have to find a safe place to do it, as others have stated.
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Post by Cats (Doom) on Mar 25, 2014 14:53:15 GMT -5
Is this like LARPing (LIGHTNING BOLT!) or more like Dagorhir? I also had the same question. Seems like airsofters would be way more likely to play Dagohir before playing LARP. A 250FPS cap seems like a good idea; I wouldn't want to bring a $200+ airsoft gun someplace where it's going to beaten and broken by a padded stick anyway. If I was hosting something like this I probably restrict all guns to springgers too, just to prevent guns from being way better than swords and unbalancing the game (just my 2¢).
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Post by snafu on Mar 25, 2014 16:12:32 GMT -5
Spring shotguns could be really good for this. Pad up an tri shot and beat some ass!
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Post by gray on Mar 26, 2014 8:53:51 GMT -5
X, the melee combat aspect will be very similar to the fast-paced and full-speed aspects in Dagorhir. However, there will be no shield checking or charging. Also, if your leg is injured, you do not drop to your knee, you drag the leg (audibly), and have to stay upright. Again, SAFETY FIRST! This game is definitely focused on the fast-paced combat, but there is also a serious commitment level to the 'realistic fantasy' of the whole thing. That being said, players won't be allowed to shout silly modern phrases, and have to at least attempt to wear uniquely post-apocalyptic garb. There are many more details for this game than I am sharing on this thread, because honestly my focus is not to recruit. If someone really syncs up with the idea, we will be happy to let them playtest! If you think you're one of those people, please PM me directly. But my main focus is SAFETY input, as well as LOCATIONS! Luckily, even 8-person events are really exciting, so small locations would be doable. Any LOCATION suggestions? Thanks for all the input, guys!
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