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Post by Anubis on Mar 7, 2014 16:34:47 GMT -5
Hey guys, I just joined and I have a few questions. I'm not sure if these threads get opened constantly, or if you fellas take well to new comers so please don't kill me!
I used to have little airsoft battles with friends in my woods behind my house and such, but I never really got serious with the sport. I owned a few AEG's but I've never played with more than 10-15 people and we were never really serious with it.
I saw a lot of events on here skimming before I finally decided to sign up, and I have a few questions.
The events sound pretty serious, and all around a very fun time. But exactly how serious? I know this is a very broad question because not all events are the same. For example: Is there a requirement for clothing, such as all fitting camo and such for the faction you are playing as? Or maybe you can't use something like an AK-47 if you are playing as a marine? I have a buddy that is interested along with me. I'm out of school here in a month and I'll have money flowing again so I don't mind having to spend money on new guns or clothing. I looked into this when I was younger (about 16 I believe) and I remember seeing 18+ on most things. I am currently 18 and I'm wondering what the average age at events is roughly? I have no problem playing with people of all ages I'm just curious as I don't want to be seen as the only dumb and young newbie!
If somebody could answer these questions along with just giving me an overview at what the average event is like it would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance!
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Post by Gunny87 on Mar 7, 2014 16:48:11 GMT -5
Welcome to MIA! Like you most of us have gotten into the hobby the same way. These are good questions that we can certainly answer.
This depends on the type of airsoft game. If it's a recreational game then there generally aren't any camo restrictions. For a Scenario game there will be camo requirements which are split into green based (M81 Woodland, MARPAT, etc) and tan based (3 color desert, AOR1, DESPAT, etc). Then for some MILSIM games only one or a few different sets of camo are allowed per each side. It depends on who's hosting the game.
To my knowledge there haven't been any airsoft games in Michigan that don't allow you to use certain styles of guns (Western vs Eastern) on certain teams. Although there are some more serious games where you can only use certain airsoft guns (i.e East Wind)
As for the age restriction again it depends on the event and event hosts. Some events like Western Gambit being hosted tomorrow at Hell's Survivors in Pinckney Mi has an 18+ age limit because the game play requires a more mature player who's willing to follow orders and not run off looking for the closest firefight. This contributes to a more serious and more entertaining level of game play. But other events like rec games generally have a much lower age limit of 12 or 13 and encourage all ages to play.
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Post by Anubis on Mar 7, 2014 16:56:07 GMT -5
Welcome to MIA! Like you most of us have gotten into the hobby the same way. These are good questions that we can certainly answer. This depends on the type of airsoft game. If it's a recreational game then there generally aren't any camo restrictions. For a Scenario game there will be camo requirements which are split into green based (M81 Woodland, MARPAT, etc) and tan based (3 color desert, AOR1, DESPAT, etc). Then for some MILSIM games only one or a few different sets of camo are allowed per each side. It depends on who's hosting the game. To my knowledge there haven't been any airsoft games in Michigan that don't allow you to use certain styles of guns (Western vs Eastern) on certain teams. Although there are some more serious games where you can only use certain airsoft guns (i.e East Wind) As for the age restriction again it depends on the event and event hosts. Some events like Western Gambit being hosted tomorrow at Hell's Survivors in Pinckney Mi has an 18+ age limit because the game play requires a more mature player who's willing to follow orders and not run off looking for the closest firefight. This contributes to a more serious and more entertaining level of game play. But other events like rec games generally have a much lower age limit of 12 or 13 and encourage all ages to play. Thank you very much, Gunny! You answered basically everything I was wondering about. It makes me happy knowing the requirements are not super strict, I was kind of worried there for a minute. As long as the camo requirements are just tan and green, that's perfect. Also, I have one more question (although it's more subjective than objective) What is a good brand of gun to start with? Figured anywhere from $300-400 could get me something decent (at least I think...) I used to have an M4 and an MP5 but I sold them before going off to school (can't remember brands) |
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Mar 7, 2014 17:25:51 GMT -5
This is decent; miairsoft.proboards.com/thread/49083/get-started-airsoft-ogres-adviceBrands will differ depending on model. G&P M4's are good in that $300-400 price range, but may require some gearbox corrections because sometimes they are too tightly shimmed and can bind from the factory. Most people who get into this price range have a decent tech backround to adjust shimming to correct it, though not all. On the flip side though G&P AK's are rumored to be awful (I haven't owned, tech'd, or known anyone with one so I can't honestly comment) to give an example. G&G Combat Machines are great starter guns and are priced very well for entry level play. Stray from anything that is EBB (or electric blow back) as more moving parts equals a higher chance of failure. The Poly or Metal Combat Machines Non-EBB are awesome starting guns and are great to upgrade as you progress if the desire to is felt. |
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Post by Anubis on Mar 7, 2014 17:35:09 GMT -5
This is decent; miairsoft.proboards.com/thread/49083/get-started-airsoft-ogres-adviceBrands will differ depending on model. G&P M4's are good in that $300-400 price range, but may require some gearbox corrections because sometimes they are too tightly shimmed and can bind from the factory. Most people who get into this price range have a decent tech backround to adjust shimming to correct it, though not all. On the flip side though G&P AK's are rumored to be awful (I haven't owned, tech'd, or known anyone with one so I can't honestly comment) to give an example. G&G Combat Machines are great starter guns and are priced very well for entry level play. Stray from anything that is EBB (or electric blow back) as more moving parts equals a higher chance of failure. The Poly or Metal Combat Machines Non-EBB are awesome starting guns and are great to upgrade as you progress if the desire to is felt. Thank you, sir! I was looking at Echo 1 before reading your post, which I found the exact M4 there I used to have so I guess that is what I owned haha. I have no tech background whatsoever, so I really would have no idea what to do with the gearbox. Yeah I remember hearing that EBB is pretty unreliable, sounds cool though. I'll look into G&G combat machines right now. |
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Post by Greekas (TehG3A3) on Mar 7, 2014 18:22:56 GMT -5
Which part of Michigan are you from? If you live in the southeastern part, you should totally consider coming to one of the REC games at No Limits/Action Paintball in Taylor. That's where I had my first game back in 2011 and I had an absolutely great time and made a few friends. The Suicide Kings are hosting a game there later this month: miairsoft.proboards.com/thread/49248/rec-limits-action-paintball-2014 |
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Post by Ogre on Mar 7, 2014 18:26:55 GMT -5
I'm amazed my thread even got linked  . When you want to start throwing in range upgrades I can let you in on my set up. |
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Post by Anubis on Mar 7, 2014 20:46:25 GMT -5
Which part of Michigan are you from? If you live in the southeastern part, you should totally consider coming to one of the REC games at No Limits/Action Paintball in Taylor. That's where I had my first game back in 2011 and I had an absolutely great time and made a few friends. The Suicide Kings are hosting a game there later this month: miairsoft.proboards.com/thread/49248/rec-limits-action-paintball-2014I'm from the Lansing area, Eaton Rapids to be exact. I have no problem making the drive for some of these events as long its no more than 2 hours from me and its a decent sized event. Since I'm on spring break now and I'm going away I'm not going to have any cash to spare so I won't be able to make that event. Looks great, though. I'm amazed my thread even got linked . When you want to start throwing in range upgrades I can let you in on my set up. It is a nice thread. I think I may just get the exact setup you listed, besides the eyewear. |
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Post by theprophet on Mar 8, 2014 10:04:27 GMT -5
Welcome to MIA! Like you most of us have gotten into the hobby the same way. These are good questions that we can certainly answer. This depends on the type of airsoft game. If it's a recreational game then there generally aren't any camo restrictions. For a Scenario game there will be camo requirements which are split into green based (M81 Woodland, MARPAT, etc) and tan based (3 color desert, AOR1, DESPAT, etc). Then for some MILSIM games only one or a few different sets of camo are allowed per each side. It depends on who's hosting the game. To my knowledge there haven't been any airsoft games in Michigan that don't allow you to use certain styles of guns (Western vs Eastern) on certain teams. Although there are some more serious games where you can only use certain airsoft guns (i.e East Wind) As for the age restriction again it depends on the event and event hosts. Some events like Western Gambit being hosted tomorrow at Hell's Survivors in Pinckney Mi has an 18+ age limit because the game play requires a more mature player who's willing to follow orders and not run off looking for the closest firefight. This contributes to a more serious and more entertaining level of game play. But other events like rec games generally have a much lower age limit of 12 or 13 and encourage all ages to play. Thank you very much, Gunny! You answered basically everything I was wondering about. It makes me happy knowing the requirements are not super strict, I was kind of worried there for a minute. As long as the camo requirements are just tan and green, that's perfect. Also, I have one more question (although it's more subjective than objective) What is a good brand of gun to start with? Figured anywhere from $300-400 could get me something decent (at least I think...) I used to have an M4 and an MP5 but I sold them before going off to school (can't remember brands) Look into one of these: www.evike.com/products/43268/ My brother owns one of the original run from a couple years ago and it's fantastic, best stock rifle I've personally ever seen. ROF is fantastic (around 28 stock on an 11.1v 20c lipo), FPS is right around 400 with a +/- 2 difference, and the range is great as well. |
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Post by Anubis on Mar 8, 2014 11:49:43 GMT -5
Thank you very much, Gunny! You answered basically everything I was wondering about. It makes me happy knowing the requirements are not super strict, I was kind of worried there for a minute. As long as the camo requirements are just tan and green, that's perfect. Also, I have one more question (although it's more subjective than objective) What is a good brand of gun to start with? Figured anywhere from $300-400 could get me something decent (at least I think...) I used to have an M4 and an MP5 but I sold them before going off to school (can't remember brands) Look into one of these: www.evike.com/products/43268/ My brother owns one of the original run from a couple years ago and it's fantastic, best stock rifle I've personally ever seen. ROF is fantastic (around 28 stock on an 11.1v 20c lipo), FPS is right around 400 with a +/- 2 difference, and the range is great as well. I'm going to do some more investigating and looking around but I think I'm pretty set on a G&G combat machine due to what everybody is saying about them. I'm going to get some type of M4/M16 and then move into some sort of SMG. |
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Post by Anubis on Mar 11, 2014 14:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by theprophet on Mar 11, 2014 16:31:53 GMT -5
With that money I would get a G&P or a VFC if I were you. Both have nicer externals and more solid internals, as well as being 100% TM compatible wth upgrades, while the KWA uses a few proprietary parts that can make upgrading a pain.
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Post by X on Mar 11, 2014 17:10:01 GMT -5
Although it's widely accepted G&P has better externals the quality of their internals vs KWA is still a subject of debate. Personally I own a KWA and G&P. I've treated the KWA like complete crap. Its been exposed to tons of dust, caught on fire, fully submerged in a small river, and has been left to rust multiple times. I basically never clean the thing and it still functions flawlessly. If you don't plan on changing out a bunch of parts and are OK with the KWA trademarks they're definitely a solid choice. That being said my next gun will be another G&P because I plan on doing extensive mods the gearbox. If you don't plan on doing a lot of modifications I would still consider KWA. Keep in mind you can still use an aftermarket tightbore and hop-up bucking, which is all the modifying that 75% (I just made that up) of airsofters do.  |
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Post by Anubis on Mar 11, 2014 17:23:26 GMT -5
With that money I would get a G&P or a VFC if I were you. Both have nicer externals and more solid internals, as well as being 100% TM compatible wth upgrades, while the KWA uses a few proprietary parts that can make upgrading a pain. Something like this? www.evike.com/products/45430/Although it's widely accepted G&P has better externals the quality of their internals vs KWA is still a subject of debate. Personally I own a KWA and G&P. I've treated the KWA like complete crap. Its been exposed to tons of dust, caught on fire, fully submerged in a small river, and has been left to rust multiple times. I basically never clean the thing and it still functions flawlessly. If you don't plan on changing out a bunch of parts and are OK with the KWA trademarks they're definitely a solid choice. That being said my next gun will be another G&P because I plan on doing extensive mods the gearbox. If you don't plan on doing a lot of modifications I would still consider KWA. Keep in mind you can still use an aftermarket tightbore and hop-up bucking, which is all the modifying that 75% (I just made that up) of airsofters do. Wow, yeah it looks like that thing has been through hell and back a few times. For my first gun I don't plan on doing many modifications due to the fact I don't really know what I'm doing. I'm not the most tech savy person in the world, so I would probably mess more things up than I would improve. |
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Post by theprophet on Mar 11, 2014 17:45:50 GMT -5
Yes, something like that. I leave mine stock till something breaks then start upgrading. I personally have techs do my work for me since I'm usually backed up with GBBs for customers.
I've owned KWA and VFC before and currently own a G&P, I never really got the performance I was looking for out of my old KWA, the performance I got out of VFC and G&P blew my KWA out of the water.
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