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Post by X on Feb 10, 2014 10:19:16 GMT -5
Keep in mind at several of those fields face protection in some form or another is required, but not enforced. IE Action Paintball and Hell's Survivors.
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Post by futureball on Feb 10, 2014 12:34:49 GMT -5
futureball, The biggest issue that most players have which always limits airsoft player turnout to your field is actually the required full face face mask rule. If you could work with your insurance provider to negotiate the use of lower FPS rules for airsoft such as what we use in this community you would greatly increase airsoft player attendance and possibly bring in airsoft game hosts again to host SCENARIO or MILSIM events at your field by doing this. This way airsoft players will feel more comfortable playing at your field with safer FPS rules that have been tested and used by this community for over a decade, and if you can also eliminate the required full paintball mask rule for airsoft as well I think you should see an increase in revenue as a result! Well we can lower the fps limits, that doesn't bother me, however I cannot get rid of the full face mask rule, however there are alternatives to full face masks. We allow mesh lowers at our fields you just need to have full seal goggles. I don't know if that ever got out. No bandanas only however. I've spoken with the owner about the rule before and he will not get rid of the insurance to get different insurance. Let's take a small poll to see what people would like for our fps limits. What do you think about 415 for full auto, and 460 for semi only and bolt. And if someone is shooting hotter than that they will be given a rental gun so they may still play. Does that sound a bit more reasonable? The owner likes the fact that we allow higher limits because he thinks we wil get more high upgrade guns in. So if everyone could put up limits for: full auto, semi and bolt, I'll add up the limits and show the poll to the owner.
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Post by T6e9a on Feb 10, 2014 12:50:04 GMT -5
Pretty sure most, if not all, here will agree on this, or close variation:
1.0 - 350.9 fps - Arms length engagement limit 351.0 - 409.9 fps - 20 foot engagement limit 410.0 - 550.9 fps – 50 foot engagement limit, bolt action or permanent* Semi-auto replicas only. 551.0+ fps - Prohibited or allowed with permission of event organizer only
EDIT: Nice catch Snafu. I didn't see that. I just copy/paste from an event thread.
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Post by Ogre on Feb 10, 2014 12:51:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure most, if not all, here will agree on this, or close variation: 1.0 - 350.9 fps - Arms length engagement limit 351.0 - 409.9 fps - 20 foot engagement limit 420.0 - 550.9 fps – 50 foot engagement limit, bolt action or permanent* Semi-auto replicas only. 551.0+ fps - Prohibited or allowed with permission of event organizer only
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Post by snafu on Feb 10, 2014 13:21:28 GMT -5
Pretty sure most, if not all, here will agree on this, or close variation: 1.0 - 350.9 fps - Arms length engagement limit 351.0 - 409.9 fps - 20 foot engagement limit 410.0 - 550.9 fps – 50 foot engagement limit, bolt action or permanent* Semi-auto replicas only. 551.0+ fps - Prohibited or allowed with permission of event organizer only Fixed.
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Post by Gunny87 on Feb 10, 2014 13:41:45 GMT -5
Well we can lower the fps limits, that doesn't bother me, however I cannot get rid of the full face mask rule, however there are alternatives to full face masks. We allow mesh lowers at our fields you just need to have full seal goggles. I don't know if that ever got out. No bandanas only however. I've spoken with the owner about the rule before and he will not get rid of the insurance to get different insurance No I don't think that information did get out. I was always under the assumption that you needed a paintball mask so that's good to know. Personally I use a mesh lower face mask every time I play airsoft so that rule wouldn't be a problem for me. Unfortunately I can't speak for the majority of airsoft players. But I do understand. That paired with lower FPS limits would get me to come and play airsoft again at Futureball. Pending that there would be more people playing airsoft than who are currently playing on weekends based on the last time I played paintball which was last May for a Bachelor Party. I saw a group of about 15-20 people playing airsoft.
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Post by Zorak on Feb 10, 2014 13:59:08 GMT -5
Having higher engagement limits than MIA standards would keep me from going to Futureball games. For obvious reasons, all my gear comply with forum rules. Your higher limits provide a potential advantage for other players. Why would I subject myself to that disadvantage, even ignoring the potential safety issues?
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Post by futureball on Feb 10, 2014 16:41:13 GMT -5
Well I think I will keep our standard engagements rules because some of our fields that would be a joke and our rentals shoot between 360-405 so that range will be ten feet and up to 550 semi or bolt permanent but a 25ft limit 50 feet is a bit too far i don't know if I like that. Plus I agree fully with above those standards are only allowed by the referee, and or the event organizer. A ref will always have final say on whether something can be allowed past posted rules. But the event organizer will always have a say in allowing of certain players to use slightly excessive guns if they will "play nice".
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Post by snafu on Feb 10, 2014 17:29:23 GMT -5
Why shoot yourselves in the foot? Do you see how many people have posted in this thread? Your missing out on a large customer base do misinformation and stubbornness. I have teammates. With r-hoped guns shooting under 350fps that will outrage any of your stock guns you guys have. FPS does not equal more range. It's about having tuned guns that shoot consistently.
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Post by T6e9a on Feb 10, 2014 17:30:54 GMT -5
20ft and 50ft are more than reasonable for minimum engagements at those FPS ranges. Any closer And it's pretty much a pain game. If you have guns tuned to 450-550, you should be taking on a role of ranged shooting. The aim is to make it fair and enjoyable for everyone. Bloody welts and imbedded bbs don't sound like they are either.
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Post by Pagan on Feb 10, 2014 17:49:28 GMT -5
Well I think I will keep our standard engagements rules because some of our fields that would be a joke and our rentals shoot between 360-405 so that range will be ten feet and up to 550 semi or bolt permanent but a 25ft limit 50 feet is a bit too far i don't know if I like that. Plus I agree fully with above those standards are only allowed by the referee, and or the event organizer. A ref will always have final say on whether something can be allowed past posted rules. But the event organizer will always have a say in allowing of certain players to use slightly excessive guns if they will "play nice". Those engagement distances would be a joke? Ok, let me get this straight. You say most of your rentals shoot between 360-405. Shooting someone from 20ft away is unreasonable? If your outdoor field is so small that players can't shoot at each other 20ft away, maybe you should stick with speedball. Sorry if I'm coming across rudely, but seriously, the potential profits you are basically throwing away is just silly. I host monthly open play games at a PAINTBALL field using these exact fps/engagement rules. Guess what, I had 465 players come out in THREE games last year. Do the math.
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Post by Squirrel on Feb 10, 2014 20:11:22 GMT -5
You are giving your field a bad name and it is going to have a bad stigma on MIA unless you fix things now. There is a CQB place that has high limits and guess what, everybody on MIA talks trash about it and very few people go there.
Most of the people on this forum have the money and the ability to travel to any field they want to in the state. I would rather drive an hour further to a field with a good reputation than risk a 700FPS sniper rifle or wingun revolver from point blank. Yah, point blank shots can still happen even with engagement limits, I've seen it happen friendly fire a few times.
No thanks buddy, I'll take my money elsewhere.
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Post by Puma1 on Feb 10, 2014 22:58:49 GMT -5
No thanks buddy, I'll take my money elsewhere. Agreed. I'm even within half an hour of futureball, and I'd still rather travel an hour and a half to No Limits or an hour to Hell's Survivors than risk prying a bb out of my skin. I was hit by a ~430 fps sniper rifle from about 10 ft at Wounded wing (Surprised somebody, knee-jerk reaction.) and had a welt on my wrist for the rest of the week. I can't even begin to imagine what a 600+ FPS sniper rifle would have done.
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Post by SkyPilot on Feb 11, 2014 0:46:38 GMT -5
Futureball, If you are willing to be the test subject. I would be more than happy to bring my rifle to the store and show you what a 550fps rifle will do at 20' away. And allow you to determine why we have lower limits and greater engagement distances.
And then, if you are willing, I can up the FPS to around 700.
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Post by X on Feb 11, 2014 7:23:53 GMT -5
I have a scar from SkyPilot so I would just take his word for it. Remember when we we almost got into a fight at SFOD?
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